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Donna Gates is my favourite speaker so far. Not only is her POV balanced and eye-opening but she has a lovely energy and manner.
Dr. Young has some really fascinating insights and makes some extremely bold claims but he seems rigid and dogmatic in his approach to the point of excluding any other possible nutritonal paradigm apart from his own.
Will be reviewing the calls again tomorrow!
also i would question things like sauerkraut or kimchi, and mushrooms, which are a fungus? and what about fermented alcoholic drinks – like wine, and the studies that say a little red wine is good for you as well?
I find it interesting that Donna talks about the acid alkaline balance which Dr Young talks about, but their information isn’t the same. There are some things that are always called alkaline and others that seem to be back and forth on if it’s ‘good/alkaline’ for you or if it’s ‘bad/acid’. Each alkaline book I read gives different numbers for fruits especially.
Why is this call not working? Was able to listen to calls the past two nights
me too!
she is extremely clear and thoughtful in her presentation, as a 38 year non meat eater, over time i’ve done a lot of experimenting as well, and I know I can’t do any dairy unless it is fermented. tempeh? raw vs cooked fermented products – like some pickles are cooked before fermentation? i have a ton of questions for her, and greatly appreciate and value her experience and knowledge!
i STRONGLY believe that you cannot equate macrobiotic with vegetarian. i also have known MANY macrobiotics who were low energy and often loopy because, IMHO, they were lacking fats and proteins that vegetarians and vegans can put in their diets.
Lisa,
what do you know about the macrobiotic diet? it includes protein, in the forms of tempeh, tofu, other fermented soy products and even some fish. and the fats in macrobiotic included sesame seeds, nuts, oils, etc. you can see plenty of loopy raw foodies too, it depends on HOW people are doing their particular diet. I personally know people who have reversed cancer with macrobiotic.
Yes, especially skin cancers.
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Can’t get it to work tonight..listened to the first two.
natto is awesome! i’m so glad she mentioned that – its sweet and tastes great, especially mixed with sea vegis or greens. wish i could find it here! Kevin, your questions tonight have been totally right on!
I am a huge natto fan! I love it… I lived in Japan and ate it all the time. You should be able to find it in an Asian market… in the one by me, I find it in the freezer section.
I can not listen either.. looks like it is broken
No connection at all. I’m really sorry! I live these days for these debates.
Have tried for 40 minutes but I’m still not able to get in. The window opens but it is blank. Those darn technical problems!! Oh well, I listen tomorrow on the replay. Loved the first 2 nights.
I’m going to sleep now since I can’t hear the show. Kevin did say there could be overload if too many are listening. Try again later when not so many are on.
I had connection problems using Internet Explorer. I got it to work using Google Chrome web browser
I am using firefox and all works fine. Always sign in about two minutes before the show starts…but never have seen a video. My screen calls it an audio event and the upgrade provides for MP3s, do not think there is a video.
Kevin–these are great but I find it interesting—all the speakers are selling stuff…lots of stuff. Think about asking how that might affect how one thinks about diet if I make money by selling what I say is best for you.
Keep up the great work.
I am SO appreciating Donna Gates tonight … your discussion with her has been tops! She is consistent and speaks from a very gentle place based on her own experience as well as that of autistic children. She can tend to ramble, and I have had trouble following her in the past, but tonight … I really appreciated what she brought to these discussions, particularly about how all diets styles can find success. Now … on to Dr. Young.
Dr. Young is pretty extreme, and I think he categorically negates a lot of things that are valuable and many of your other experts would disagree with him – he should go against a fruitarian person like Frederic P. I think trying to eat that much greens is very difficult if not impossible for most people, and seems unbalanced. Humans have never eaten that way. While I agree, most people are acidic and we Do need more greens, I think there must be a way to alkalize that is not as extreme.
most people over eat on salts – this is confusing and contradictory to many things I have studied for years.
I agree… it certainly isn’t a practical diet, and seems too extreme and anti fruit! If fruit was so terrible, God wouldn’t have created it! Good health won’t come from stressing and obsessing over abstinance from any type of sugar, dairy or meat products. Emotions play a big role in our health and healing, Dr.Young makes me feel tense when I hear him talk about his diet.
Amen to Roni and Lesley.People have been eating meat(in different proportions to their diet)for thousands of years. Were they all wrong?
Of course they were. Simply because people do a thing doesn’t make it good. I think anyone here trying to argue the merits of a SAD (after-all we’ve been doing it for a few generations now) would be a lunatic.
And if you look at our closest relatives they all consume greens pretty much constantly. While, I myself am not a current adherent to the Alkaline Diet, I think I would be willing to try all of the vegan-friendly diets presented here and see which one I thrive best on.
Salts differ… People eat too much of the mineral-lacking salts and too little of the mineral-dense ones, like himalaya and unrefined sea salt…
Dr Young is coming from so far left field that it feels critical for me to hear him maintain his position in the face of some competition. He left me with my mouth gaping … and I’ve read his book, worked on alkalizing. I’m a big fan of green. But! I’ve never heard him before. In his book he didn’t sound so …. er strange. I mean, good grief, 12-18 avocados per day???? And otherwise, when you asked him to get specific about what his diet would look like … it sounded completely unreasonable. I don’t know … I’m left shaking my head with this one!
I believe that the 12-18 avo’s a day was what he said some athletes were taking… I think he said 3-6 was his typical diet… however, I must agree… that seems like a lot to me too. Don’t get me wrong, I love avocadoes, but I have never really bought them in bulk before… I try to eat one a day.
Perhaps good health today IS an extreme…
Robin Osman (above on Facebook) was right – Google Chrome works!! Thank you Robin.
Neither speaker mentioned people who are naturally alkaline (10-15% according to Dr. kelly and nowDr. Gonzalez). these people get the lymphoma and multiple myeloma types of cancer and the doctors say they need animal protein–the only people with cancer who do. Does anyone have any information on this?
Dr Young has a fairly righteous attitude, which is a bit of a red flag for me. He clearly believes everyone should be eating this way. I don’t see how anyone could eat like 6 avocados a day, for the rest of their life? He’s only mentioned maybe 6 vegetables. I don’t understand how all fruit can be bad. His focus is very narrow. Why would we be living on this planet full of so many plants and fruits, but we are only supposed to eat a few of them? I somehow think that the Universal Intelligence that put is on this planet, is just a wee bit wiser than that. Most plants have a medicinal purpose that benefits humans. Wouldn’t that also apply to the foods too? He’s missing something.
Mary why cows only eat grass when they are free in land or why lions eat only meat? 6 avocados are nothing,I use to eat 15 a day without knowing this, but I had a tree in my house.
Chlorophyll is a great source of nutrients and minerals. In fact it is the basis for all life on earth! And I think that he even said you could get away with eating the occasional acidifying food, but the key is in low quantities.
I really appreciated Donna Gates’ gentle spirit. She was very helpful, and I learned some very interesting things from her tonight about fermenting. I want to know more. Since most of us probably can’t get as many greens as Dr. Young recommends and certainly not as many avacados (8 to 12 a day $$$$$?)I won’t be attempting that diet. We don’t grow those in Seattle! I do see that to heal from cancer a vegan diet is critical…for a time, later I believe meat is ok if not overdone. Dr. Lorrain Day agrees also. No argument there. Good job, Kev…as always. Thanks SO much for this series!
Although Dr. Young sounded compelling it may be helpful to also read what others, like Quackwatch, etc. have to say about him for a fuller perspective. I can’t vouch for either.
http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/young3.html
Cheers!
What sort of credentials do the people at quackwatch have?
quakwatch is not much of a resource when you dig into the site owner’s background. The alkaline diet approach is far older than Robert Young- it has it’s roots in the early part of last century – you know when they had to treat pretty much everything with diet anyway so medical doctors knew far more than their modern counterparts on this matter. My mother was prescribed the surviving version still used for for kidney stones. It looks like an alkaline diet except she had to avoid oxalates.
I agreed with Donna Gates that everyone is unique in terms of dietary needs. In fact, my own needs vary from season to season, depending upon athletic training, etc. And I do crave the fermented foods.
Wow! I would have to say that Dr. Young was very energetic and knowledgeable! He has tested and has seen so many blood samples that I am sure he is an expert in his field, and has found what works! Can we all do this? Most likely not. But, I take from this, more than ever, the importance of green, leafy veggies and other green veggies, and from both he and Donna, that I have way too big of a sweet tooth as I sure love fruit, dried fruit, Agave Nectar, Stevia, etc, and even though natural and good, I can see that I eat too many! I must keep refining. I have a son with autism and seizures and have been trying for 24 years to figure out what can stop these things, I can see that he has also had too many sweet things. Must take after his mama! LOL So, I will keep moving forward in health. The info has been great tonight! Thanks! I am left with a few questions, however. Was Dr. Young saying that all fermented foods were not good?
I have always wondered if you can eat too much alkaline. He answered that one. Oh, if I eat lots of raw spinach, collards, kale, will I get too many of the oxalic acids even if it is not fermented as Donna said, that would take that away.
Look into ketogenic diets. They stop seizures.
Coconut oil helps to get into ketosis.
Wow. Don’t know what to say after listening to Dr. Young.
But I will thank you again for giving us these great health debates.
Wow! Why would you want to be “immortal” as Dr. Young puts it if you’d be eating the way he eats!! Yeesh!
There are a lot of similarities between Dr Young’s work and Victoria Butenko’s green smoothies. As a raw foodist, when I lean towards the fruits, I find myself craving more fruits or getting sluggish. When I finally have a salad or green smoothies I feel great, so I eat more fruit!
My interpretation was he thought the raw vegan diet was great if you eat the alkalinizing foods. Whereas I go for the sweets because they are awesome. While I haven’t had as much as a cough in two years, i’m keenly aware of the shifts in my body’s energy depending on the food I eat – Dr Young and Donna Gates definitely gave me a lot of stuff to incorporate! Thanks for these interviews!
Don’t Green smoothies depend on a fair amount of fruit to be palatable? That’s what I’ve been finding and it seems to be backed up by Victoria Butenko’s “Green Smoothies” book.
Fascinating stuff! Especially about ferments which I adore. I know that the diet I am eating now makes me happy, healthy and energetic. I totally agree with Donna gates that every body is different and you need to listen to your individual body. I get depressed just thinking about Dr. Youngs diet. I LOVE variety in food and would be miserable eating what he describes. Fine for an occasional cleanse but not every day forever.
right on. He sounds like one of the most arrogant people I have ever heard. What a dull and boring diet.
There are tonnes of types of greens one can choose from.
And isn’t “arrogance” (which I would just call confidence) warranted when you have the facts to back it up?
Wanted to let you guys know that the pause and rewind functions arent’ working while playing tonight’s call. Help!! Kim
ps. Gratitude for all the work you guys must be doing! Hope you can take a well deserved vacation after this is over.
young was great on salt. Fuhrman was just repeating what he learned in school. all salt is bad. fruits need to be understood as they were long ago when they were eaten in season locally and the surplus was sundried. young diet would be difficult to follow.
Hi Kevin, just a quick thanks for all your hard work for getting such a great group of experts together to give us a wide perspective. To me its important to understand the different facets of health and nutrition…thanks again!
Organic sodium vs. Inorganic. I would love to hear what Robert Young thinks about the argument that you can get the minerals you need if the plants are getting sufficient minerals. And can fruits become alkaline if they have sufficient minerals? And will water naturally suck up minerals if you put some rocks at the bottom of a glass jar? And he didn’t mention breathing as the biggest alkalizing agent in the body.
My naturopath said one of the only alkalizing fruits are figs. They are high in minerals.
First off, thank you Kevin and the Renegade Health Show team for creating this event. It is wonderful to hear all the differing knowledgeable opinions! I have especially enjoyed Dr. Young and Dr. Fuhrman.
Regarding Jamison’s comment: I too was curious about Dr. Young’s take on/experience with sodium levels in an individual who does not supplement with salt, and instead absorbs sodium from properly mineralized foods (sprouts, vegetables, etc)?
As Dr. Fuhrman conquered, salt’s trace mineral, sodium, is critical; however Dr. Fuhrman’s take is that the rest of salt’s “characteristics” are extremely damaging – stating the negatives of salt outweigh its positives. I infer he gets his salt [nutrient] from well mineralized food?
Therefore, wouldn’t it be best to digest this trace mineral (along with all minerals/nutrients) via whole foods if possible?
Lastly, I loved reading PHMiracle years ago, however was never able to understand Dr. Young’s negative opinion of spirulina. I would love to know what he sees in a microscope if say, he being as alkaline as he is, ingests spirulina or any other algaes; what happens with the bloodwork?
Jamison if you dig deep on his work you will know that he recommend YOGA which involve breathing.
Of the 6 experts that have been on the GHD so far, 4 of tbem (Mercola, Cousens, Bowden and Gates) have all referenced biochemical individuality/ metabolic typing as a fundamental principle in their approach to nutrition. Hey Kevin, would be good to get more videos about this fascinating topic!
This was some good information tonight. I was impressed with Dr. Young. His ways may seem extreme, but he has more clinical information than most people. If he can really tell what you ate by your blood, he’s some kind of a genius.
He offered some great keys for insight, even if he’s not 100 percent on. As far as being extreme, it’s all what your view point is. People tend to like what they eat. If you eat what makes your body and mind perform the best, you might not consider it extreme, when and if you find it. I have to give Robert Young a Gold Star.
Thank you Kevin and Annemarie.
Hello Kevin,
The longer I listen, the more unsettling things become. I give you a great deal of credit for putting this event together. It took a major amount of time and energy; and the principle is excellent: develop healthy dialog from varying perspectives by experts in their field. And after listening to tonight’s program (after more than 2 hrs of trying to get on unsuccessfully, but thanks to the advice of posters, I tried it with Firefox and voila!), you did a monumental job keeping your cool and keeping things rolling in a positive manner with Dr. Young’s segment.
Some things he claimed and his method of delivery was just not setting right with me, so I went to his (and his wife’s) website and did some reading. Then I went to Google to search more. I found plenty more on Quackwatch regarding Dr. Young’s credentials: http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/young3.html . It’s not a pretty tale. And so that you will realize that I acknowledge that Stephen Barrett, MD of Quackwatch is not polite, pleasant, or even-handed in his treatment, I offer this balancing look at Quackwatch’s approach and specific insight into Dr. Barrett and his methods: http://www.raysahelian.com/quackwatch.html (Is Dr. Barrett of Quackwatch a Quack Himself?).
I found Dr. Young to be quite bombastic in his statements and claims and not very forthcoming in his scientific explanations. His method of presentation/choice of wording was misleading and seemed calculated to confuse and create a reaction.
Really enjoyed Donna Gates – knowledgeable, balanced and practical. Agree with her belief that everyone is unique and has to work out what diet suits them best.
First time I had heard Dr Young. Very radical, which is not always bad but to me a lot of what he said didn’t make practical sense. He didn’t address the fact that it is well known that vegan diets are often deficient in B12 and essential fatty acids. What would you feed kids on this diet?
Also saw that he is on quackwatch http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/young3.html
I think we need to be careful too of focusing on food only as a nutritive source. Although this is its main function, we are holistic beings and food also has social, emotional and cultural aspects attached to it which are valid. While we need to eat food that nourishes us, we also need to enjoy it – it stimulates our digestive system and juices. This is why I prefer a more balanced approach like Donna’s.
Janine in alkalarians there is no deficiency of B12. Vegans are deficiency of B12 because of what Dr. Young said they eat to much moshroom, sugary fruits, fermented foods that destroy their intestinal villi. Have a trip to Dr. Young’s Ranch so you can have a better understanding.
Dr. Young mentions that fruit is acidic, but I have read in books such as THRIVE that fruit is acidic when you look at it, but have an alkaline effect in the body. I’d like for that to be elaborated on.
Will easy why diabetics can’t have them If they are alkalizing?
Donna Gates was great. She looks good for 64 – if that’s a recent photo of her. Speaks volumes about her diet.
She’s also had mad plastic surgeries…
Has she?
Interesting to hear Dr. Youngs perspective, since I have not listened to him before.
I read people react to him as being extreme and strange. I did not perceive him as such – he’s doing hi’s thing, and of course everybody gets into their own rut. I can select pieces of his idea without having to “follow his diet” to the point – since HE has been at it for XX years, and is so well immersed in it.
I did find, however, that I caught myself thinking “wonder what Donna Gates would say about that”, “wonder what Donna Gates whould have thought about this”.
Just a big shame these experts are so insecure about their teachings that they don’t dare to handle (possible) opposition!
I found Gates/Young seemed to agree on mostly everything? Did Young at all declare anything negative about ferments? If so I did not catch it…?
Yes, all fermented foods are acidic.
I think Dr Young ‘came off as’ totally unbalanced and I wish someone would calculate the cost such a diet! That being said he probably saved my life. A couple years ago I was losing a battle with bacterial peritonitis and ascites, having read his page about the beautiful Brazilian model that lost her hands and then her life and that PH buffering probably could have saved her caused me to add sodium bicarb to the heroic efforts going to save me and it quickly turned an unmanageable infection into one on the mend, and I thank him.
I too, was surprised that he made fermented foods sound as if denatured. Funny, as another prominent vegan advocate decries them for the salt which he is so in favor of. But when I was so sick his advice made the difference…
What a great idea Kevin and thanks to you and your crew for this eye opening and educational opportunity.
TY Donna Gates! I think I need to eat more fermented foods after hearing you talk.
Furhman – salt is insiduous killer.
Young – 12-14g real salt per day (70kg person)- salt critical for life. You should wake up to eating salt. Salt is life-force.
Is Young for real? I haven’t heard of him before, a lot of what he says sounds wacky but he sounds scientific. Checked to see if anything written on him by Quack watch and there is:
http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/young3.html
Donna Gates seemed to make some sense (not sure I agree with everything – but at least some) Robert Young – I’d be concerned about folks following this learning – statements like we don’t need protein – so what does his body do with the plant protein he eats? Please see this link to help review his credentials
http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/young3.html
Thanks Kevin for putting this together; it’s been something I’ve been wanting to have happen for several years (I broached the idea to Gary Null years ago). I’m a little disappointed that the debate style was abandoned, but it makes sense based on the reasons/complications you provided. I’m wondering if such a debate could take place in written form after reviewing the salient points in the lecture (e.g. ask Donna Gates for a rebuttal to Young’s points about fermentation). This would allow guests to respond thoughtfully without the pressure or atmosphere of direct/immediate confrontation.
I read Dr. Young’s early work and I agree that you need to take some of his theories/beliefs with a grain of salt (sorry, couldn’t resist). I once discussed his belief about the pleomorphic nature of human cells (e.g can de-evolve into bacteria/yeast) with Dr. Ali a board-certified pathologist who helped develop the dark-field microscope and he called Dr. Young’s assertion nonsense (the DNA differs btw the different organisms). I wonder if the pioneers (like Bechamps and Enderlein) were looking at lyme bacteria which is pleomorphic, but confused change of shape with change of species.
I wouldn’t trust anything on quackwatch – closed-minded folks, heavily biased vs. alternative medicine (and have lost in court because they lacked the facts to back up their arguments). I prefer balanced criticism.
I don’t think any practitioner has all the answers, even top-flight people like Cousens and Mercola – and I hope they learn from the debate that they could make greater headway for the common good if they shared information going forward (take the ego out – be willing to be wrong). Probably, the central theme is to listen to your body and that everyone is unique (not sure if anyone has mentioned Roger Williams individual biochemistry).
Well put.
Donna Gates knows her shit
Just to be clear Fuhrman does NOT say we don’t need salt – what he says is that on a healthy diet you would/should get the amount of salt that the body needs – I have never heard him say that the body has no need for salt (Na). He did kinda stretch it – but I’m sure what he means is that we don’t have the need to eat 2+ grams of salt added to our food.
I cannot believe how negative and angry Dr. Young sounds. We all know that our thoughts are one of the most important nutrients . We can poison ourselves by what we think far more than by what we eat. Apples and bananas are poisons? oh please!!! Unlike what he claims there are many many thriving vegetarians and vegans. Donna Gates seems to have a much gentler and more positive system.
granted, i haven’t listened to all the interviews, but can someone PLEASE cover the issue of SPROUTING????
there isn’t much ‘science’ out there. on a Matt Monarch video they said that when you sprout wheat berries, they 100% lose their gluten and become a gluten-free food. sounds unsubstantiated to me.
these ‘experts’ often say that grains are not bad, but what happens when we sprout buckwheat groats???
I too love the shows, but it’s missing key information in fighting chronic diseases. When they say grains should be minimal or none for healing, does that apply to legumes/beans as well since they are a carb?
Also, sprouting does change grains and beans yet they tend to say all types of grains.
There doesn’t seem to be enough talk focused on healing chronic diseases such as high B.P., Diabetes, arthritis and allergies or even cancer. I’m trying to determine if I have to go the extreme of the Gerson therapy for non cancerous diseases. How do these other doctors feel toward the need to eliminate all beans and sprouted breads?
Again, thanks for bringing all of these speakers together for these wonderful shows.
Good questions Jan, it would be helpful to get some more specifics.
So far all the talks have mostly focused on balancing daily diet in general for the most part and being preventive, which is good of course, but yes, what about people already having more serious health complications?
I know someone who drinks about 6 diet pepsi a day and eats nothing but tofu. Her PH was high. How did this soy protein produce such a high PH for her with all the chemical pepsi?
Alkalarian sounds right. It’s just that it doesn’t seem practical. Seems to be for people who are indifferent to food or don’t think about food very much. We have multitudes in this country and elsewhere that loveeeeeeeee food and think about it all the time. It’s hard enough to be raw or vegan or vegetarian. Alkalarian sounds really boring. Every day the same thing, even though it presents the best solution for health.
I really liked Donna, her facts and energy prompted me to go ou and buy her Body Ecology book, eventhough I have been eating fermented foods for years. Doesn’t Young understand that fermentation is in every culture since before biblical times. I think Young is psycho and he came across caustic especially in comparison to Gates. She was wonderful!
And I have been sprouting my grains for years also, they have done that since ancient times. There’s alot of mixed info that they become alkaline when sprouted because they are then digested as a vegetable rather than a grain in it’s dormant, phytic acid containing state.
For more info on sprouting, Ann Wigmore wrote books on it and I think the website is called sproutpeople.com.
Sprouting is cool man!
Kevin is so boss for putting this together!
thank you so much for posting the alternate video (player 2) because no matter how much updating i did before I was not able to watch the previous videos. please continue to post the 2nd player with the future videos as well.
thanks!
I have a culture I bought from donna’s web site. I was just wondering how long they last for. I accidently left them unfrozen for a few months, just wondering if they might still be good?
How can you maintain an alkaline forming diet eating salt, fat and protein when they require an acid medium to digest them and a overconsumption of them acidify your body tissue which inevitably leads to all sorts of degenerative diseases.
He simply is twisting scientific research to suit his ego and possibly his personal prejudice against vegans or vegetarians who eat a Natural Hygiene Diet. – his website is promoting sales of his products – natural hygiene promotes living correctly and does not try to sell anything…
Tessa are you sure they require and acid medium to be digested? Have you test your mouth pH when eating? Yes, is alkaline. So you think the body will spend energy alkalizing the food that you are chewing to then take it to acid to then alkalize it again because the small intestine can’t tolerate an acid meal?
Donna Gates didn’t know that Louis Pasteur was a plagiarizer an impostor and his science was base on Antoine Bechamp works? That what Louis Pasteur saw as bacteria was a pleomorphic transformation of microzymas of the decay matter he was looking? Books to read, Béchamp or Pasteur and a lot more other if you will to travel to Paris.
Can any of the speakers address this question: which packs greater nutritional wallop: RAW seeds (e.g. flaxseeds) & nuts (almond, walnut, cashew) OR TOASTED? I can’t get a straight answer on this from any source!
Also, is it only RAW nuts that benefit from being soaked? Thanks!
Kevin you need now to put every expert in a blood test conventional and live and dry blood that will give a better picture of their diet. Having in mind that conventional blood test is a quantitative and live and dry blood test is qualitative.
Robert young speaks as though all animals thrive on plant sourced energy. what about cats and dogs. how come they are supposed to have meat as there main source of food? Can they thrive on a vegan diet?
Dogs are omnivore and Whisk (our rescued dog) is thriving on a vegan diet. According to the vet, “an epitome of good health”.
I won’t speak to cats since my wife is allergic and we cannot adopt one.
Question about DONNA GATES and cassein in milk. As all the animal species except COWS have more whey to cassein, and she mentions that in INDIA and possible other spot the cows can yield higher whey milk, is it how we modified cows genetically or their lifestyle that has made their milk 80 cassein to 20 whey, which is different from all other mammals?
SO hope you might ask her this. So fascinating!
How come you are told by conventional medicine
that too much sodium is bad for your blood vessels? Maybe that is just referring to table salt being bad for the heart?
Where salt goes water follows. So the extra volume can cause blood pressure. So they figure if you don’t add extra salt the volume will go down and blood pressure goes down. When you remove salt it only lowers blood pressure a few points. A low carbohydrate diet on the other hand has a dramatic decreasing affect on blood pressure.
I think many of you are being too harsh on Dr. Young. The man is brilliant and he has succeeded in healing people from degenerative diseases including cancer, diabetes and crohn’s. I think that too many people out there are quick to check for “Quackwatch” when in reality this is a forum about alternative healthful eating and the fact that his diet may be different that other people’s make some of you uncomfortable. He has written many books including The Ph Miracle series on weight loss, diabetes, etc. If you search for him on youtube – you can actually watch a cell undergo a pleomorphic transition. I once attended a one day conference where Dr. Young spoke and was very impressed. A little girl of about six addressed the audience. At age two, she was dying of crohn’s. She was on heavy steroids and had heavy bleeding. When her parents found about the PhMiracle diet, they switched her diet and within a short time, her health turned around. At six, she was a beautiful, energetic child who was tall for her age. She began her day with asparagus soup and thrived on it. Yes, the diet is very extreme for those who are unused to it. But for those with a chronic health challenge, it is worthwhile to explore. And for anyone who wishes to further explore options to improve their health and vitality, it is a viable option. Isn’t this
why we are all listening in to these various healthful eating experts? I know that I have gained a lot from each one of them. Kevin – thank you so much for organizing this great health debate. It has
been awesome (couldn’t resist!) Thanks again.
I have also heard of all those diseases you listed being cured in other ways and on other diets. I have heard of many illnesses being cured on a Paleo/Primal diet also along with recommendations made by the Weston Price Foundation. Maybe the fact that there are no processed foods or sugar in any of the diets is one of the keys.
Diabetes can be CURED with a low-fat, vegan diet, without any restriction on carb intake.
Hi Kev
Thank you so much for this rich transformative program!!
How does the chlorella that you sell on Renegrade compare with SUNChlorella..pulverized cell wall by DYNO-Mill which seems to have the best reputation for breaking the wall with an innovative system..is yours the same? Also, is there not a phone # for Renegrade products to actually talk to a live person? gracias
robert young sounds like a doosh.
I feel really silly for asking, but where is Robert Young on the debate? I’m only hearing a Q&A with Donna Gates. What am I missing here?? Thanks!
Kathy, its not a debate format. Donna speaks first for about an hour, followed by Young.
Thank you Sue. I’ve only been able to listen to the first night when the speakers were both together and couldn’t figure out what I was doing wrong. : )
yeah!! wheres the debate??
The speakers speak.
The bloggers debate.
Hi, the video is not loading and buffering up. It’s just dead white screen. I think the system is overloaded. I’m very disappointed. I highly regard Robert Young.
Can you put more windows on or screen it on Amazon AWS.
Great tips from Donna – eat a little cultured vegetables with a little meat for better digestion and use culture starter packages rather than live grains to avoid bad bacteria and spoilage when fermenting our own foods.
Eat quality, eat so that it will digest well, and eat less for slower aging.
I have tried for about 40 mins to listen to Robert Young. Still just a dead white screen. The other days there was a black screen that buffered up and then played. So something very different now. Why?
Please can you fix it so we can have access to this event?
i love love loved the interview with donna gates!!! thanks for having her on kevin!
The research Donna Gates refers to that incorporates bio-individualism is the Biological Terrain. We are individuals and that is why I test using the Biological Terrain (www.Biomedx.com). This has given me an incredible insight to the individual differances of clients even more than blood Type does. ( The blood type is recorded and considered in the results.)
make sure my email is listed as Donna@hisdesignforhealth.com, I am seeing a typo. Thank you.
Dr. Young’s product called PhourSalts is some very salty supplement… which i used to
add to my water bottle, until i connected the dots. my hands and fingers were very puffed up in morning. Now i add Vit. C pwdr and find this to be hugely better.
Is anyone else curious for Dr. Young to test the blood of all the gurus presenting this week?
) I do find his description of the body as electrically fueled fascinating. In any case, it’s a pleasure to hear someone finally be able to announce “My $#%& don’t stink!”
All that said, I’m not really experiencing the acidity, energy fluctuation, or lack of focus that he suggests I should be feeling on a high fruit diet. Although, I’m not sure if he was differentiating between a fruitarian diet and raw 80/10/10. Meanwhile, the sugar that he was looking for from babies? Well, that comes from the breast milk, no?
I love the program. Disappointed the speakers are talking and not debating, had thin skins and put up walls to actually debate. We need to hear all sides and a debate brings about a difference of info as there is rebuttal. That said, I have a question for Daniel Vitalis.
The closest natural spring to me is 40 plus minutes, going by highway, I’m in CT, and is too far for for my total water supply, maybe once a month. My question is last night Dr.Robert O. Young was on. I went on his website. He has 3 great water filtration systems that someday I hope to have the money to possibly purchase one of them. How can I filter my water in the most healthful way and not spend multi-hundreds or thousands to do so? And which is the best method, ionizing, ultra-violet, none of these in the expensive models or any others out there?
Thank you.
I test both the live and dry blood nutritional analysis and Biological Terrain. You can be too alkaline like being too acid. There needs to be a balance. The Terrain shows me Bio-individualality to go along with the picture of the live and dry blood. I am formally a Medical Lab Technologist (ASCP) for 30 years and after my own journey to health my business was born to look at the alternative way of testing for physiological imbalances. There is a lot of bad information out that that says we are to always be more alkaline. People with lymphomas and myelomas are too alkaline and need more acid forming foods. Balance is key, and testing for bio-individuality is key. The metabolic typing comes into play here as well so we must look at many factors and different testing not just one or the other. I am working on my PhD in nutritional medicine and my disertation will be looking at results of conventional lab testing, live and dry blood, Biological Terrain and ASYRA bio-energetic testing on four age groups. I think it will be interesting! Heres to your health!
I don’t really resonate with some of Donna Gates although I do like fermented foods. I have noticed some raw foodies get into it and it is a gateway back to nonvegan eating.
I think she had her facts down, but she came across as hauty at times.
Oh man, I was hoping to hear more good things about eating fruit. For example, Dr. Young doesn’t recommend eating bananas, but on his chart he lists a lot of other fruit, that are highly alkaline. Surely, some fruit as a part of a healthy diet can’t be that bad. I’ve gained lots of health benefits by incorporating green smoothies. Sure, there is greens, but also lots of sweet fruit in there too.
Also, no offense, but Dr. Young seems a tad out of touch with what he is eating, maybe cause his wife is cooking for him
I’m sure he is not surviving off of green juice and avocados. Recipes on his website include all kinds of foods, including coconuts, seeds, nuts, veggies, legumes, tofu, and even some buckwheat.
I really respect Dr. Young, I respect the scientific approach and background he is coming from and loved the Ph Miracle Book. However, he does speak in a lot of absolute terms in this interview. I was a bit puzzled by his statement regarding sugars where he even was ruling out stevia. It was my understanding that the body does not digest, utilize or treat the stevia as a “sugar” molecule in the body at all… Can anyone give more information on this? Also he speaks a lot against protein here, which I understand a lot of reasons as to why and I think he did a good job of clearing up some of the common protein “myths” and misunderstandings… But he makes a point to sell a hemp based protein powder on his website for $99. I assume it is alkaline, sure… but I guess I’m kind of surprised he’s bothering to sell a protein powder at all with as much as he de-emphasized protein here. Not to mention 99 bucks for a hempseed based protein seems crazy in my opinion, I know hempseed isn’t “cheap” but still, wow! Also saying its is THE diet for immortality too? That’s a big claim. I mean he totally gets all my props and kudos if that notion proves true but I guess I’m just not so partial to people venturing such sweeping claims. Anyhow, those are just of my “checks and balances” so to speak, I still really respect the guy and the hard work he’s doing, pioneering biology in some new intriguing directions worth further exploration. In fact I’ve been a vegan, organic/health food advocate and nutrition student for 8 years now and there’s still so much to learn… I think I’ll put some of his ideas to the test and try to do an entire month of consuming nothing but green things and see how I feel after that. I don’t feel bad at all right now, but that doesn’t mean I couldn’t feel any better either. ;]
Donna Gates piece was lovely and interesting. I’ve not read her book yet but many people I know have, and after hearing her speak I’m interested to check into more. I was quite the colicy baby back in the day and digestive distress tends to be quite common in my family in general… I haven’t had problems in that regard for years now, thank goodness, but I don’t think it’d hurt to try to make the gut even healthier still. Thanks for sharing Donna.
You might want to try the GAPS diet.
I think Dr. Young has spent to much time in a laboratory and needs to come out into the real world of food. By the time he got done telling us what we shouldn’t eat…….there wasn’t much left. He also came across sounding very defensive even though nobody was challenging him. He must be so used to having to defend himself and his extreme ideas that he automatically goes there. His diet ideas are not like anything that has ever been done on the face of the earth that I know of. What culture ate that way?
I loved Donna Gates beautiful spirit and I have been wanting to learn more about fermented foods which were a traditional part of many long living cultures around the world.
First and foremost, I would like to point out that among the “experts” participating in this event, a few of them have done very little real research, if any, of their own. What they have mostly done is compile information from other sources, and some even claim it as their own research (this is the case with Dr. Young, verifiable example to follow). At least some of these folks have clinical experience, so they are conscious of the ambiguities and unknowns when dealing with real people, many of them who just want to improve their health and many of them who are very sick. No one has all the answers, and if someone claims he or she does, please get out your BS meter right away.
So moving on to Dr. Young, and claims that all cancers (and all disease, really) are caused by acid in the body, I would like to point out that this is not just BS, it is right down dangerous. A lot of people have tried to treat cancer by raising their pH, and a good proportion of those people are dead. Of course, many people have a pH imbalance, but that can go either way. Yes, you can actually be too alkaline (if you don’t believe me, check what the pH of a dead body is). Needless to say, for people who are too acid (and this is a good number of the population these days), becoming more alkaline will help a great deal with their health problems, maybe even successfully treat cancer. But for people who are too alkaline, following this pH miracle dogma can be extremely harmful, even deadly. Back in the 50’s, a real doctor by the name of Emmanuel Revici (one of the most successful ones in treating cancer to ever walk this planet, who also happened to live to 101, practicing medicine for seven decades and putting in 16 to 20 hour days till the end) discovered conjugated trienic fatty acids, which 30 years later were rediscovered and called leukotrienes. These are catabolic pro-inflammatory lipids that are behind dyschlorobiosis – i.e., chlorides that get fixed inside of cells causing tissues to go extremely alkaline which can lead, among other things, to highly sensitive ALKALINE pain. Yes, folks, you can actually be too alkaline. I would encourage anyone buying the pH miracle dogma to look into real research; while it can be a good thing to alkalize yourself if you are too acid, you better start by knowing where you are (and you may very well be too alkaline) so you know how to help yourself. And on the subject of alkalizing yourself, I would like to add that using buffers to raise the pH (particularly just based on pH paper measurements for your urine or even saliva) is like wagging the dog by the tail. Look at other homeostatic systems upstream (pH is more of a downstream result of the others) such as electrolyte balance (excess vs. deficiency), lipid oxidation (catabolic vs. anabolic), energy production (beta oxidation vs. tricarb) and autonomic nervous system balance (sympathetic vs. parasympathetic dominance), among others, correct any imbalances, and you may never have to worry about correcting your pH again; your body will do it for you. Of course diet, and particularly fixing digestion to work properly, play a very important role in balancing those systems, but it is not as simple as “eat alkaline foods” or “alkalize your body”… not by a long shot.
Most of Dr. Young’s microscopy teachings (or should I say preachings?) are based on Enderlein’s concepts that are outdated, and many of them proven incorrect or just plain wrong. As an example, just because red blood cells look great on the microscope, all plump with oxygen, doesn’t mean other tissues are getting any of this oxygen. There is a little something called the Bohr effect, which states that if the pH of the blood is too high (over alkaline), red blood cells will not be able to properly release oxygen to the tissues (which is the main purpose of carrying this oxygen). Yet, they will look great under a microscope. Overfilling red blood cells with oxygen and creating both impressive live blood flow and gorgeous dry blood layer pictures under the microscope is easily accomplished with a few sessions of IV ozone; yet, this doesn’t necessarily translate into health (the subject may very well be bed ridden at the time) or longevity. I actually showed this some years ago to Jeffery Arnson, personally trained by Dr. Young, and president of the International Microscopy Association at the time (no baking soda needed, folks).
As for how thorough Dr. Young’s “research” is, and also addressing the issue of salt raised by a previous post, here is a good example. Back in 2006, he conducted a seminar over the phone that was a series of four 1-hour lectures followed by Q&A. The first of these lectures was about salt, and using his usual preaching style, he proceeded to read something that was very familiar to me. I realized that for the past 30 minutes he had been reading verbatim from a book (and he proceeded to do that for the entire lecture) that had just come out at the time on the subject and I had read recently called Water and Salt: The Essence of Life (very good book on the subject, IMHO). He was claiming this as his research, never giving credit to the authors. And he was charging $300 for this seminar. I don’t know a single real researcher (or professional, for that matter) with integrity that would do that. I did contact his office to call him on it, and he apologized to me personally on the phone (to say he was embarrassed would be an understatement) and gave me a refund. I am not sure if Kevin could get the transcripts or recordings for that event (assuming he hasn’t buried them), if anyone needs to verify this story. Maybe even someone looking at this blog was part of the seminar as well and either has the recordings or at least remembers it. In addition to this, one can follow (as I have) Dr. Young’s materials over the years and see that he mostly picked popular issues (on health, diet, supplements, etc.) that made sense and were aligned with the rest of his teachings (and were not quite mainstream when he picked them, therefore he claims some of them as his own research), but then just ended up contradicting them without even addressing this, while still using his “preacher” style of “I am 100% right” (of course his own contradictions over time would negate that).
So in closing this long post, please do the research, both on the subject matter and the “expert” it comes from before following blindly some dogma just because it seems to make sense, especially if you have serious health problems.
I have nothing but respect for Donna Gates, the products she sells, how she goes about things (I have followed her teachings for a number of years as well) and particularly her efforts with autism in children.
To Kevin: thanks for putting the event together!
I really have to agree with what Dr. young is saying. I find that I have a lot more energy when I stick with greens.I drink 1-2 quarts of green smoothies a day and my body functions very efficiently.
I was quite upset about yet a nother way to supplement my way threw life; Dr. Robert O. Young may have found “light” but it will never be “the light”…it’s ballance
http://www.naturodoc.com/library/lifestyle/umeboshi_vinegar.htm
raw living enzymes so that are food can bring in the energy (light) for digestion!
Donna Gates has still got her hair…what about Dr. Robert O. Young?
Female GENETIC baldness is much less prevalent than male genetic baldness. Seems like a stupid swipe at someone to me.
Both calls interesting it appears all diets i.e. raw, vegan, vegetarian can work with balance and omitting processed chemical laden foods.
I found David Vitali very interesting. I was a vegan for a few months and I also became very clear and aware. However, after a few months, I was down to 98 pounds and began to feel like I was really missing something. I feel really good when I eat salmon and lamb. I wish we could leave religious philosophies out of the discussion. What evidence is there of Karma? Also, the proof for evolution is falling apart (life from non-life is impossible, dating methods are flawed, what came first-male or female-the whole thing is very far fetched. A cloud of gas could never turn into complicated creatures no matter how long you give it)-it is a religion for those who don’t want to believe in God.
I agree with David that veganism seems to come out of a reverence for animals and not from health.
If you want to talk about religion,I think that it is interesting that Jesus, the amazing supernatural miricle worker (who said He was God and showed the miricles to prove it) ate fish, lamb and bread. He never said one diet was best for anyone. I think that is interesting. Perhaps in the end, there is no perfect diet for everyone. David Wolfe seems really healthy and energetic. Maybe we need to test our own body and figure out by trial and error. Thanks so much for doing this. It is very informative.
I am a vegan for ethical reason (i.e. there’s no need to eat animal products so I won’t cause unnecessary harm doing so), but these talks make me want to experiment. See which vegan diet I thrive on the most.
Thanks for providing this Debate. Before listening to this recording, I did not know of Donna Gates and had very little exposure to Robert Young’s work. I enjoyed listening to and learned alot from Donna Gates’ balanced approach and insights to diet. I plan to look further into her work. On the contrary, I will not say the same for Robert Young. In my opinion, anyone who presents themself as “I am absolutely right and, if you don’t do as I say, you will soon die” (as he came across to me) makes me turn around and run the other way. It was hard for me to listen to him and/or take his information seriously… so I didn’t and I won’t. Thanks again for providing the opportunity for me to “hear” these individuals. Excellent!
After listening to Dr. Young I decided to add more avocados to my green smoothies and less of the fruit (especially bananas and apples). It seems be working well. His comments on salt however is so totally opposite of what Dr. Fuhrman recommends which is no salt at all. All sodium should come from foods. But then again a person like myself who is following a really high green food plant base diet that a pinch of celtic sea salt in spring water can’t be that bad can it? But still it would be helpful to have some agreement among the experts on this.
Donna Gates is someone I’ve followed more and more. I’m doing the Coconut Kefir and Coconut Yogurt she recommends along with lots of raw fermented foods as well. It hard to measure the results we’re getting but I like the ideas she suggest. These bacteria are intelligent beings working with us. And I do think they are sentient.
Jesus Christ never ate a passover lamb:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ThulwgVMuA
“When you slaughter an animal, you slaughter God” – Isaac Bashevis Singer
This quote speaks to Dr. Will Tuttle’s talk tonight:
Whatever the child’s initial reaction, though, the point to notice is that we eat animal flesh long before we are capable of understanding that what we are eating is the dead body of an animal. Thus we never make a conscious, informed decision, free from the bias that accompanies any long-established habit, reinforced by all the pressures of social conformity to eat animal flesh. At the same time, children have a natural love of animals, and our society encourages them to be affectionate toward animals such as dogs and cats and toward cuddly, stuffed animals. These facts help to explain that most distinctive characteristic of the attitudes of children in our society to animals, namely, that rather than having one unified attitude to animals, the child has two conflicting attitudes that coexists, carefully segregated so that the inherent contradiction between them rarely causes trouble.
-Peter Singer, Animal Liberation
God Instructs Us to be Vegan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU_sBEJYbf8&feature=related
More on Jesus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv3uU2YY6pM
Worth watching!
Do You Drink Milk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBBFTpTMUbc&feature=related
http://www.examiner.com/nutrition-in-philadelphia/gonzalez-nutritional-therapy-acid-vs-alkaline-diets
for the guys who asked about Gonzales and alkalinity in cancer