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LOVE hearing Dr. Cousens sharing his knowledge…brilliant.
Raw Milk or No Milk for adults?
Thanks.
Raw milk from cows that eat grass or goats that eat grass, especially organic
Raw, homemade almond milk. I don’t make it myself, but if I had the time I would.
Dr. Mercola, you are making the point that some patients you saw did not do well on a vegan/vegetarian/raw diet (didn’t hear which one, but could be any of them) so that led you to recommend meat, etc. This is a generalization, and for us actually to know fully what you are claiming, we would need to know what percentage of fat these people were eating, percentage of protein, how much honey, agave, etc. What I have seen in my own, very large community of friends who have eaten at least vegetarian for well over 30 years, is that they all eat the vegetarian, vegan diet incorrectly. Most of their calories come from fat, rather than fruits, vegetables and leafy greens. Friends who eat most of their calories from fruits and vegetables, and very low fat, are healthy.
In order to consider a person’s success or failure with any particular diet, Dr. Mercola, we would have to know exactly what they are eating. So for you to say that you say people fail on these diets, so you suggested they add meat, dairy, etc., is leaving out the most important information—was what they were actually eating the cause of their problem, rather than what they weren’t eating.
~water
Aren’t eggs total decaying matter? A chickens period? I thought they are full of bacteria.
…we see vaccine makers use these because of the high levels of ability to culture toxic organisms…
Living foods build life.
Doesn’t B 12 come from the excrement waste of good intestinal flora for which metabolizes healthy living food? I thought that if you eat to much acidic food, it destroys good intestinal bacteria…as well as damages villi…
Animal sources of protein I thought cause the intestinal tract to more acidic from ferment of the decaying matter.
Dr Mercola, why are you recommending meat instead of plant-based food that are about the same or higher in protein than meat like speudograins, spirulina, chlorella, blue green algae, almonds and some other high protein nuts, legumes, hemp, flax and other seeds, seaweeds, whole soy beans and superfoods like bee pollen, maca, goji berries, incan berries and acai?
Not to mention, kale, bok choy and many other leafy greens–higher, in usable protein than meat.
~water
@ Water……I agree with what you said about usable protein…..kale and leafy greens.
How about biotin that present in a raw white of an egg. As far as I have read, biotin prevents mineral and nutrient absorption?
@Marina: Actually, raw egg whites deplete biotin from the body by binding with it. Biotin is a necessary vitamin, part of the B-complex. A dangergous depletion of biotin from eating raw egg whites would probably take a regular eating of raw egg whites over a period of time, but it’s the raw egg whites that cause the depletion, not biotin.
The whites must be taken together with the yolk to counteract this negative effect.
That depletion is why Mercola recommends the whole egg not just the whites or just the yolks
Please address the role of calories in the diet – and more specifically a diagnostic of some kind that the average person can use to determine their own caloric needs – is weight a good diagnostic ? Eat a good diet, not watching calories and adjust calories according to weight gains/losses ?
Thanks so much
Mack
I second Thomas’ question… what are Drs. Cousens’ and Mercola’s thoughts on dairy, especially in light of The China Study?
Yes – this is why I stopped Dairy in addition to the corporate control of most dairy producers and the use of posolac bovine growth injections which has been rejected by most other countries. I’ve found great subs in the use of almond and coconut milks.
How can we determine how many grams approx. that we would need? What about determining constitution in terms of how much protein?
Purines… info…non-bias
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=51
I love Cousens book “Spiritual Nutrition.” It has so much valuable info. I read Dr. Mercola newsletters daily, he has a lot of vast knowledge that he passes on.
Carnosine–as opposed to carnitine
Thank you for clearing that up! I was trying to figure it out
Very interesting. Dr. Cousens suggestions about using bee pollen as a source of protein doesn’t sound environmentally sustainable for the amount of people that we hope ready and needy to turn to health medicine.
We need to oppose GMOs – They are taking over and killing off the bees due to the increasing use of chemicals (which affected the eagles in the past)- They just approved gmo BEETS – my favorite and very very nutritious and anti-fungal. GMO alfalfa just approved is going to ruin the meat supply. Everyone please research this issue.
In spite of what Dr. Mercola said about Whole Foods I feel there is no excuse whatsoever that can justify Whole Foods support of the cultivation of GMO alfalfa. This is an atrocity to life itself on this planet. Without the birds and the bees life on this planet is unsustainable.
Should we, then, take vitamin supplements and minerals, all of us vegans or raw vegans?
What we vegetarians and vegans should do is study our own blood test and determine what diet is right for our individual needs, not on someone else’s philosophy. Check out the link on renegadehealth.com about making sure your diet is right for you. It is on the right hand side.
What about Avocados as a source of protein?
Do the comments on grains include sprouted grains and juiced wheatgrass/barley ?
can you give an example of the foods you eat in an average day? how do you mix the foods to make sure you have all these necessary vitamins and minerals?
“Those who say it can’t be done, should stop interrupting those of us who are doing it.”
I don’t know first said that, but I think it applies here in regards to saying being vegan cannot be done. Dr. Gabriel Cousens has a 99% success rate with anyone who ever came to him wanting to be vegan. I have also found Mercola’s website very questionable meaning many people were unable to thumbs up vegan comments and people complained about vegan comments being deleted if they did not agree with his views. I spoke to several people and they all felt it was less than honestly run. I have to say I much more lean towards someone who has had success than someone who has not imho.
Looking forward to this conversation and learning more from both of them.
This is also the impression I got from his site.
Question for both of you
What do you think if B12 level is over 5000% higher then supposed to be for last few years,I used to take high doses Vit C infusion but stopped 3 years ago ,in which Vit B12 was included -I had chemo and I am not vegetarian
I like discussion very much
Daniela, I take over 6000% of the RDA for B-12 for 2 reasons. One, I am a high raw vegan and 2, I am 50. As we age, our bodies ability to absorb B12 is diminished. As b12 is water soluable, what is not used is simply secreted via the kidneys. I get my blood work done twice a year and b12 is always at the high end of normal…but even if it was elevated, i would not worry as that would be a temporary state (meaning I had just taken the b12 supplement).
Both docs agree on the avoidance of grains ….. Yet, grains ‘raised up’ civilization, and they are chock full of nutrients (as well as anti-nutrients, I suppose.) …… Some experts who say that most grains are fine, so long as they are soaked/ sprouted / fermented beforehand ….. Any suggestions?
Soaked and sprouted are the key words as that changes the very nature of plain untreated grain. It is the phytic acid in the grains that prevent the absorption of nutrients and only soaking removes that coating. And sprouting takes that grain to whole new level from grains to greens.
Elizabeth, I belong to a New LipHe (say “New Life”) group and we are sorting out all the details of health benefits. Consider this as for food for thought.
Plants verses Plant Embryos.
Plant Embryos, or seeds (grain, nuts, beens, and seeds) all contain a store of PLANT EMBRYO FOOD!
Embryo is food designed to store for the Embryo, not for humans.
The question is, when does an Embryos (seed) become a plant? Clearly wheat grass is a plant.
Sprouts are plant seedlings and have passed the stage of Embryo, into a plant, and will die without water! Embryos can survive even thousands of years without water.
Some Nuts pass germination (from embryo to plant) with just soaking. That activates the enzymes that break down the stored Embryo food. We do not see the effect of this, as in a sprout.
Likewise, Embryos usual have a protection that is usually a Picotoxin to humans. Phytic acid in grain is one of these. Most beans are actually toxic! In grains like wheat, barley, rye and some oats, the Embryo is stored with Gluten. Gluten is a Picotoxin in perhaps as much as 50-75% of the population (not just the 1% with Celiac Disease or the 30% who have Gluten intolerance).
Wheat grass (the green part) has no gluten in it. Wheat roots, still have some of the roots. This is why some people have extra problems with powered wheat grass, for money sake it usually is grown without soil and the roots are included.
Fermenting is a different (scary) story!
For us, if you are going to eat grain, we stick to sprouted older types, like millet or black (wild?) rice, rather than newer types (like most modern wheat and rice).
LAN
Purines… just the thought that one might think Uric Acid is necessary to supplement… I would think we have enough uric acid production in general for which needs alkaline buffers.
This chicken egg eating “inculcating” from Mercola is hard to here… Eggs according to Dr. Robert O Young, cellular microbiologist who studies the effects of food on blood says eggs have 36,500 toxic pathogens that filthy up the blood. He shows what your blood looks like on eggs… not pretty!
verified free range chicken eggs where there food source is known (with yellow-orange like yolks)? or a farm factory egg?
Dr Mercola recommends organic, free range, local eggs without added product added to their shells. If the eggs are not local, by law, they will have a petroleum product on their shells. Now they are adding the clause that the eggs are humanely treated. I get those, not factory eggs.
Even the color is not a fool proof indicator as unscrupulous folks have injected color to give the appearance of organic free range eggs. I do a lot of investigation of the behind scenes operations to see how the chickens are being treated. And there are not only chicken eggs that are good for you but duck and quail eggs with amazing health benfits. With all that eggs have to offer I cannot understand the need to eat meat.
Dr. Cousens – what is your source of the Carnosine the live supplement?
Thank you
Bee Pollen is constantly referenced by Dr. Cousens. Bee pollen is not vegan because it comes from a bee. How does he justify including it in his plant based vegan diet.
In Dr. Cousens book, Spiritual Nutrition, he calls bee pollen “the semen of the plant world”. He calls it “the ultimate biogenic food and the procreative force of the plant world.” The pollen is from plants, and the bees collect it for us.
Bee pollen is carried by bees it is not produced by bees. It is vegan because it comes from plants. Bees simply carry it on their bodies as they fly from flower to flower. It is vegan.
Is it extracted from beehives or the plants. This will tell you whether it’s vegan or not.
The problem with eating meat and eggs is that for most people they cannot afford or find healthy organic meats and eggs!
Unfortunately, most people cannot eat 8 raw eggs a day!
I Love Dr Cousens theory on food and energy and how it can raise your vibrations!
Exactly, getting organic vegetables is so much easier.
There are also a lot of countries that doesn’t even have organic meats, eggs and dairy.
And what about countries that have winter for the most part of the year? How would the cows be able to pasture out in any field in such a country? Pastured meat is of course more ecological than the regular kind but certainly not possible to have in many countries.
Carnosine this is the proper spelling
dr. crystal was a dentist. biological? it appears obvious that his exposure to mercury and/or other like chemicals due to his line of business may explain his development and demise from cancer just as excess protein/amino acids can/did contribute to cancer forming………….
Yes, I’ve heard that dentists risk cancer because of exposure to mercury in their line of work.
How do you know, Dr. Mercola, that almost everyone needs some form of animal protein?
This is obviously just your point of view.
~water
What do you think about too high level B12
Great show
How much fat in ratio with carb and protein in curing Diabetes
Any advice about sources spirulina and chlorella
Iron is issue for cancer people
what’s best source of chlorella = powders or liquid?
What do you think about goji berries as a protein source?
Goji berries are a good source of vitamin C not protein
goji berries are actually an excellent protein source (they include all essential amino acids), and less than a great vitamin c source!
Dr. Cousens is now saying eggs are a good source of protein?? and that a vegan diet is difficult to follow when compared to a meat diet? I once respected Cousens…he is coming across as flaky, and not following a philosophy he has lectured on for years! How authentic is he? I am finding not very….This is sad Gabriel Cousens! You need to get Dr. Will Tuttle to share the truth.
I think you misunderstood him completely. He said a vegan diet was more difficult to do correctly because of the missing nutrients and low calories of vegetable matter.
He only agreed that eggs were a good source of assimilable protein. He doesn’t recommend anyone eat them.
He does for vegetarians.
I found Cousens flaky too. 600 push-ups AFTER a fast. I would like to see this…
Dr. Mercola is wrong about eggs not involving an animal being killed. Male baby birds are thrown into chippers, birds get their beaks cut off… I wouldn’t eat an egg if you paid me, personally. The smell alone is enough to make me gag. :\
Overall such a great call guys! Fantastic info and thanks Kevin for making it happen!
Jay, you raise a good point. Even organic pasture-grown layers are female! What happened to the males as chicks or young-uns?
Also, when layers stop laying, even home farms usually make soup from them. Most home farms will give-away/sell/make soup every two years. Not many hens get retirement until natural death. (We’ve grown pasture poultry and have kept layers and are now chicken-free.)
Indeed, and the only way to get humanly produced eggs is having some chickens of your own. Which is of course not possible for the majority of people.
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new law just passed in senate, we are not allowed to grow organic food in your yard.
Please give a link/reference for this – I am Shocked!
what about sleep and health and weight management? Does it need to be consecutive hours, or can you do 5 or 6 and then 2 hours later in the day?
Is it possible to see a video? That seems to be a question form a few of us.
If a vegan or vegetarian is optimal for spiritual life why does it not provide everything we need in nature?
It would if we lived naturally…
Thank you Kevin for all you do. I’m truly enjoying tonight’s call with Dr. Mercola & Dr.Cousens. I’d like to be vegan just to avoid the whole cruelty to animals thing, but being raised a meat eater and also married to one makes it difficult. I do limit meat portions to 4-6oz and try to have a couple of meatless days a week. I find if I just serve a meatless meal without mentioning the fact, my husband doesn’t seem to notice.
Geez Kev ! This has already been like getting tickets to a sold out Grateful Dead concert for
health conscious individuals ! And there is more ???
I have a tremendous amount of respect and admiration for both of these men – and to you for bringing them to us like this !
Can’t tell you how much I appreciate this Kevin !
What about alkaline water systems or ionic? water systems.
Check the link about water: http://www.findaspring.com Mercola mentioned it when he was speaking
Mercola has just confessed that he has thalassemias… this explains why his “egg” promotion undercurrent is so strong! He does feel that his cholesterol is an issue and the eggs support cholesterol.
Thalassemia is inherited. Eggs don’t raise cholesterol.
Kevin — absolutely fantastic debate – muchly appreciated Thanks Dr. Cousens and Mercola
I would love to hear both doctors comment on Dr.Graham 10/10/10 diet and the natural hygienic approach. I have been a follower for 2 years and feel the best ever physically and spiritually. Thank you!
They did comment already. They said certain people thrive on higher carb, while others need more protein and fat. They both, strongly disagree with 811 for everyone.
I am not certain what I must eat. I gain weight when I eat animal product and sometimes I feel a bit out of sorts when I eat a vegan diet. What do I eat?
Check out the link to the right about reading your blood tests. This will help you decide what diet is right for you. They both agreed that diet is individual to you. The link say something about making sure you are right about your diet. Check it out!
You might need more healthy fats on a vegan diet. That might prevent the feeling of being a little spaced out.
Drinking home made hemp milk for example is a really good way to stay sharp on a vegan diet. It’s also yummy
There might be some other things as well. I also suggest like Karen said, that you get a blood test and start from there.
Dr. Cousens was discussing spirituality and diet. It sounded to me like he was saying that the most spiritual diet is a vegan one. I want to share that I eat raw, well raised, animal products including raw meat. I know based on my own experience that it is possible for a person to eat this way and still be a very spiritually aware individual. I’m more spiritual now than when I was on a vegan diet because I feel so much better energetically. My body does better with healthy animal proteins then when eating raw vegan. (I’ve experimented on myself for years) I agree each person is unique. I believe that a person can ascend spiritually on many types of diet, as long as what he/she eats is in harmony with his/her body and as long as the food is being consumed for nurturing and nourishment, as opposed to using food as a drug. (Even healthy food can be used as a drug.) Belief and emotion play a HUGE part in the way our body deals with what we eat and how we end up feeling as a result.
I have enjoyed this first discussion. Thank you Dr. Mercola and Dr Cousens and to all who organized this event. Blessings.
If you are eating raw meat you had better detox for worms and parasites every time the seasons change. Very important.
Karen why do yo believe that you have to ‘de-worm’ if eating raw meat. Research Dr. Joel Weinstock from Tuff University. He is using parasites to heal IBS, Crhon’s and many digestive disorders. He claims we are too clean and that the parasites/worms assist in detoxifying diseased tissue. If you have healthy Tissue the parasites do no harm and remain dormant. They are opportunitic organisms as part of our symbiotic relationship with life. Read the Microbe Factor by Hiromi Shinya, M.D.
Wow, parasites may be beneficial to health. Thats a paradigm shift for me! Thanks for the links!
Thank you very much for sharing this – very important to know!
I agree with you and would like to add that everything is spirituality. Dr. Cousens seems to judge his way of life as more spiritual but it is just a judgment or belief and not absolute truth. Death is a spiritual process.
I also agree that a vegan diet might not be more spiritual.
As for myself it is, because I find the issue of animal welfare important. But not everybody does.
And yes there is life and death in nature and it is part of life to harm others in order to survive.
EATING meat is not wrong in any way, but I think we need to really try and not harm the environment too much.
It bothered me a bit that Dr. Cousens went too far with the world saving spiritual talk about his diet, I don’t really see a vegan diet as that. A vegan diet to me is just necessary at the moment, not ultimate forever and for everyone.
I feel the bases of spirituality is to do no harm and to live in such a way that we cause the least suffering to any living being. Of course we cannot live completely without hurting anyone as every breath we take and every step we take causes pain to some livin entity. I see spirituality and compassion as synonymous. We cannot have one without the other. When we can live healthfully and even more healthy without killing animals how can we justify ourselves. I personally eat free range organic eggs as my alternative to eating meat. And I haven’t eaten meat in almost 40years and I am always mistaken for being much younger than I am.
Spiritual is a word that we have lost the meaning to I feel. Look at all of the peoples in the past that lived close to the Earth like American Indians, Aboriginals etc. To me these people lived a spiritual life. Meat eaters that were grounded and in touch with who they are. Modern man spends most of their time in their head, judging, labeling… this is NOT spiritual even if they claim they are vibrating at a higher level because they don’t eat meat. Sounds like head stuff to me.
Dr. Mercola won, hands down.
Agreed. Great to hear from both Dr. Mercola and Dr. Cousens but Dr. Mercola’s approach makes more sense for me.
@Mercola…Good point about omega fats being rancid! Many people eat these and have the adverse affects!
Not all of them. Check out Mila!
Well I sure for one haven’t had any adverse effects *shrug*
People are telling me I need 120 grams of protein per day, How did I get so far out?
I do lift weight 5 times a week.
hey Sandy. I lift weights and train hard 5 times per week. If you are tearing muscle you need much more protien for constant repair. 1 gram per pound per day is recommended. Also, you need 2 replenish more vitamins. high protien will also satisfy your food cravings and help you avoid eating foods that do not increase your performance. If you not not get sufficient protien you will notice your muscle will actually feed upon themselves and slowly deteriorate to a smaller size.
Great program. Mercola and Cousens both have a lot of wealth to share, and it should be noted that the only dispute is over specific dietary details. Everyone can agree that the major fight is against GM foods, additives, and chemical spraying — which both of these health advocates are steadily fighting against.
Help. I stopped the recording to take the dog out thinking it would pick up where I left off and it started over again. Is there a way to fast foward to where Dr. Mercola started his individual speech???
Just skip to around 1 hr 15 minutes
Yeah. Just slide the little dark circle in the sound bar to the time you want (the number will pop up). You might have to wait a minute until it finds the sound track, but I have been listening an hour at a time and then logging on and resuming where I left off.
If a discussion between people is measured, even in part on energy, Dr. Mercola is a distinct loser. Very little energy felt from him. In fact, seemed possibly depressed.
i disagree with you about Dr.Mercola sounding depressed. I felt he gave the impression of being very grounded, clear and an excellent communicator. He has been on the air for over an hour, and I would have to say he sounds alert and informative.
Lesley, I definitely agree with you!
Yes I agree also – These days “energy” is seen as talking fast and appearing “cool” – I would rather listen to someone speaking clearly and at a normal pace like Mercola does so we can absorb it! Mainstream media (fox as an example) is pathetic.
Yes, he sounded much more sensible. Even if I did not agree with some things that he said, he sounded more like a real scientist.
Water, you seem to have an agenda on these boards, and yet this is exactly opposite what everyone here has asked everyone to do: have an open mind! Let’s agree that your philosophy is right for YOU — I think we all get that now.
I have looked to both of these Dr.’s in pursuit of my own health and that of my clients.
I think what is interesting is that I trained with Donna Gates and she did mention that raw foodists tend to be too spacey, and her words came to mind when listening to Dr. Cousens. Dr. Mercola seems very grounded here on earth and probably because his diet includes animal products. But I don’t think that makes him deficient on conversations about spirituality and energy – this really wasn’t for the forum for a spiritual context. Kevin asked great questions about nutrition and Dr. Mercola has very detailed specifics.
I think Dr. Mercola made fine points about finding the balance that is right for you. I think Dr. Cousen’s, when asked pointed questions, was about peace and love and finding compromise when the point escaped him. They both have much to teach us.
Thank you Kevin. Well done! I really appreciate the hard work to make this happen. I wasn’t planning on it, but I will buy the transcripts for future reference, and to support the work you are doing here.
Blessings
I don’t agree. Both speakers were good.
The “I Don’t agree” was meant as a reply to Water re Dr Mercola seeming depressed.
I thought they both sounded great. I was impressed with how cordial and open minded Mercola was.
Thank you for discussing beta thalassemia Dr. Mercola – I have sickle cell anemia and use coconut oil quite regularly — good to hear you have had success with this.
What a wonderful conversation. Thanks Kevin, Drs Cousins and Mercola. Learned a lot and can’t wait to hear more!
Dr. Mercola feels like a fair person, however.
~water
Is that highly intelligent remark supposed to enlighten us all? Do tell us what a fair person “feels” like. Also, stating “however” just says so much, thanks for sharing your expertise on these matters. It’s clear as water now…
I’m not sure about the spelling; but Where can one get the Carnacine study?
carnosine …Typical vegetarian diets are thought to be lacking in carnosine, but whether this has a detrimental effect on vegetarians is controversial.
Collins Alternative Health Guide By Steven Bratman pg 404
http://www.iherb.com/Quantum-Nutrition-Labs-Quantum-RX-Carnosine-30-g/23859?at=0
When Dr. Cousens talked about diet and agenda he mentioned that Jesus ate a plant-based diet. But the gospels often refer to Jesus eating fish – actually cooking it on the beach for some of his disciples after his resurrection.
An early book, translated from the Aramaic is claimed to be the translation of the original gospel. It is known as “The Gospel of the Holy Twelve” or “The Gospel of the Hebrews”, the “Essene Gospel”
Gabriel quotes from this book in “Conscious Eating”: “Wherefore I say unto all who desire to be my disciples, keep your hands from bloodshed and let no flesh meat enter your mouths, for God is just and bountiful, who ordaineth that man shall live by the fruits and seeds of the earth alone.”
The Bible is a book based on Astrology, believe it or not. The mention of fish refers to the sign of Pisces. Parables abound in the Bible. Check out YouTube and watch the Greatest Story Every Told parts 1 thru 3. No disrespect intended.
Hi Karen! Yes there are so many disputes on whether the Bible is literal or a parable from which to derive meaning (although there were laws and regulations that were only applicable in the Old Testament before the birth of Jesus and therefore do not apply to us today)
In Leviticus 11, God lays out a diet plan which even today leads to better health..the Israelites were instructed as to what animals were clean or unclean. The pig was mentioned as being unclean, as well as the rabit, camel, and other animals we normally do not eat today. Also mentioned as unclean is anything in the water without scales or fins, which refers to shrimp, lobster, ect.
It is amazing that health professionals today can still see the dangers of eating these things! God really knew what He was talking about
It’s a complete misconception that Jesus was vegetarian. As a Jew, Jesus ate lamb, beef, fish … all the foods not expressly forbidden by God (see Lev 11 and Deut 14).
great info. thanks kevin for what you are doing. it is good to hear all sides. im 76 an do not even need to take any meds. only good foods an supplements. do use organic eggs in morning drink. hope to see you again in calif. in april again thanks
Loved it! I learned something new from Dr. Cousens and will now try including more chlorella in my diet!
Dr. Mercola, Dr. Doug Graham, who has eaten a low fat raw vegan diet for over 25 years, uses NO supplements and has not for that entire time. He is in great health, as well as athletically superior. Do you think if the diet you recommend wasn’t so high in fat, and low in fruit, you might need to recommend less to NO supplements? I think the answer is yes, based on reports from hundreds, if not thousands of people who eat a low fat raw vegan diet—lots of greens, lots of fruits, less than 10% calories in fat. Then you receive all the vitamins and minerals you need, because you are not eating empty calories of fat–whether avocado, olives, oils, seeds, nuts–all of which are mostly fat (check in nutrition analysis).
~water
I have heard that some raw vegans cheat occassionally so I’m not convinced that Dr Doug Graham has eaten a low fat raw vegan diet without a little cheat here and there.
Do you really think that a few times ‘cheating’ would be enough to make up for a lack of supplementation? Usually when people cheat it is on less nutritious food, and I highly doubt a raw vegan would choose an animal protein anyway.
Also, it was discussed that straying from any diet is not the worst thing – the more you stick to it the better the result, generally speaking, however obsessing over it and making your life harder is detrimental in other ways. If people do slip up occasionally then that is fine, but it has nothing to do with supplementation.
Personally I believe in getting all that is needed from whole foods, not from supplements. Why would be the only species on the planet whose body cannot survive naturally?!
Dr Graham has himself admitted that he had did test low on B12 and took a supplement for a while.
Graham is an advocate for as little supplementation as possible. The two most common ones he “reluctantly” recommends are B12 and D(3). I recall him admitting to taking B12 during periods in which he had less than ideal control over the quality and freshness of his food.
As a traveling musician, I apply the same approach. One of the things I was very impressed with during last night’s lecture is a true desire to learn and share. I hope this level of open-mindedness continues as we get into lectures with more opposing view points.
One of the most important things about a venue like this is that it potentially gives all of us one passionate voice toward achieving more active and efficient testing grounds for these types of theories and observations. Dr. Mercola made reference to that goal last night.
I believe that through our differences there is an underlying unity and that is what we need to focus on. It is in our oneness of purpose to live in the most healthy way possible considering the welfare of all living beings that we can be the change that will change the world.
Divide and conquer has always been the strategy to conquer other peoples. We need to rise above the divisive paradigm and with one voice inspire each other to live for the benefitof all.
Again, I think you should look more to the fact that diet is so very individual for each person. I know plenty of people who were hardcore raw vegans and got very ill after some years, and their health became robust after changing to a whole foods & meat based diet. There are endless testimonies of this.
Just like plenty of people have become light, energetic and healthy going from meat to vegan, if that’s what their genetic makeup does best on.
You really can’t make these sort of comments as being ‘the only way’, it doesn’t make sense. My brother, who was very skinny and weak in his teens, got onto a whole foods diet I reccommended, lots of veg, fish, eggs, nuts, high protein, moderate fat and lower/moderate carb from almost all veg, with a good excercise/weights program.
He feels better than ever, and has way more energy and strength than any of his friends. He eats a fair amount of meat, but also loads of organic veg, nuts, little fruit etc, no sugar or junk.
He now looks like this: http://bit.ly/dTJrpE
So I could say that “his diet” far surpasses all others without a doubt, because he is physically superior to most around him. But I *know* diet is very individual, and one does not work for all.
This was in reply to Water btw re: Dr Graham & superior vegan diet.
Oh and just watch the pre event video Kevin had up about the native tribes – ones that ate 90 and 100% meat and fat their whole lives and lived 95-105 on average! I think that says something in defense of fat
Hi Chris,
to start, I completely respect your and your brother’s right to determine what works best for them. I think something that many of us are missing here is that, most likely, 99% of the people on this site have better diets than the SAD. So, putting aside the fact that most of us have our own personal opinions and bias towards specific regimens (mine being raw 80/10/10), we’re kind of talking about different degrees of awesome.
Chris, the question I have for you is, when your brother was frail and weak in his teens, what was he eating? Also, just because someone is in great athletic shape, doesn’t necessarily imply their diet is superior to another, nor does it imply that their overall health is superior to someone in lesser athletic shape.
My two cents.
Hey Dan. Yeah to me that’s what it’s all about. That’s also the thing though for me, I don’t have a bias toward a specific regime *because* of how much varied info i’ve read on nutrition. There are diff diets that help diff health conditions / body types etc.
80/10/10 can be fantastic for some, but others (like myself) with very weak digestion, can’t handle loads of cold raw food (chinese medicine explains why all raw isn’t good for certain types). I also am not sure how one could build really decent muscle on 80/10/10, but thats a different matter
I know its awesome for general health if it suits one.
When my bro was skinny weak & tired, he was just on a really normal diet (we knew barely anything about nutrition back then). Our mother just made us ‘normal’ food, which consited of general meat & veg, roast dinners etc, similar to what they grew up on back in the 50′s etc. Tea and toast, sandwiches, cereal, fruit and so on. Not ideal but better than alot of kids. He didn’t eat enough in general for his body type either tho (fast metabolism).
I actually didn’t say the diet *was* superior, in response to ‘water’, I was saying I *could say* the diet is superior *because* he’s in great health and physically superior to most around him. I meant to imply that I don’t think any one diet is superior, as ‘water’ seems to be implying Dr Grahams’ is.
Dr. Mercola needed to be cut into, and asked more questions.
Thank you, Kevin for putting this together.
~water
I love Mercola. I read his news letter and website all the time. I now have a headache from trying to decipher what he is saying. His voice always trails off at the end of his sentences. He also speaks so softly in the first place without any enthusiasm. difficult for me to listen to. I am a voice actress and may be overly picky, but i would love to give him some coaching on presentation. He’s great, i tell everyone about his website. But Doc, please work on the voice!!! and Kevin, if your guests are not going to speak up, can you work with the volume. I have mine up as high as it will go.
thanks
great work you all are doing
I am not having any problem hearing him or with his presentation.
I had a problem hearing clearly in the beginning. I decided to listen with headphones. It helped tremendously!
I am not either – I do not want scholarly conversations being messed up with fake actresses! Again fox (faux) new-like! Dr. Mercola you sound just fine!
@Claresta i combine spirtual diet is vegan in some way. there are different spirituality. vegan is a special pure spirituality. killing animals a different spirituality.
I would like to hear more on teeth remineralisatin
Neither doctor mentioned the benefits of an alkaline diet for disease prevention. With the addition of meat products in his diet, how does Dr.Mercola balance the more acidic foods in his diet, and does he advocate eating high alkaline foods?
When you remove grain, sugars, processed foods from your diet you also get rid of the acidic foods. The meat is acidic but is balanced out by the alkaline vegies. If you ate meat plus grains plus sugar plus processed foods – AKA the SAD diet then you would have issues with acidity.
Should also be said that you don’t want the body to become too alkaline as that has its own problems too.
@ Lesley,
I believe he made reference to a large amount of vegetables in his diet, the alkaline minerals from which could theoretically allow him to balance the acidity in other parts of his diet.
If Jesus and biblically they did not eat meat then why were they fishing so often, what did they do with the fish they caught, and on the Mount they fed the multitude with 3 loaves and five fishes?
No one knows what Jesus ate. We have to leave this one alone. Who knows and really who cares. If you are going to base your dietary decisions on what Jesus ate you have more important issues.
Hahahahahaha…..amen!
Well, just to quote what someone here on the board just wrote:
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An early book, translated from the Aramaic is claimed to be the translation of the original gospel. It is known as “The Gospel of the Holy Twelve” or “The Gospel of the Hebrews”, the “Essene Gospel”
Gabriel quotes from this book in “Conscious Eating”:
“Wherefore I say unto all who desire to be my disciples, keep your hands from bloodshed and let no flesh meat enter your mouths, for God is just and bountiful, who ordaineth that man shall live by the fruits and seeds of the earth alone.”
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I tend to believe what the Bible itself says in Lev 11 and Deut 14 versus a book that neither the early church nor the Jews took to be a divinely inspired Word of God.
This debate is for another chat room…Besides, where is the documentation stating he was in superior health anyways???? From the pics I see of him he actually looks pretty malnourished.
Gabriel addresses this in “Conscious Eating”.
Fish could be metaphor for the “higher teachings of the Master”. He mentions 2nd century texts that did not mention fish, only bread and grapes. And there was a ‘fish plant’ that was dried and made into flour, then bread. Several potentials of the use of ‘fish’ are presented. He says it was in the 4th century that fish was added to the bread offering in the scriptures.
Jesus took part in the passover supper and other feasts, so he definitely ate meat! Patricia Bragg will be on Coast to Coast tonight at 1am eastern. I started on Bragg Vinegar and Raw Honey a few weeks ago and it has greatly increased my energy.
What works for me is eating meat once in awhile. Raw. Just so I get some of the nutrients that might not be in all veggies. Like cholesterol and B12. Also I’ve noticed (for me at least)that my desire for sex has gone down dramatically. I’ve been working like crazy all the time and not even caring about talking to woman.
I don’t know about anyone else, but the interview became more and more difficult to hear, especially after Gabriel Cousens left. I hope that the interviewer and those being interviewed will speak louder next time Please!
Raw meat? How do you do that?
What is the challenge with a plant based diet except for less options dining out?
Nothing, it’s just a different way of preparing. I find it a lot of fun as you get to use natural textures and it’s more like creating things out of food, but I guess that appeals to my artistic side!
hola marina
This is an exciting interview for me – I quoted both of them, including Dr. Cousen’s letter to Dr. mercola in the chapter “To Veg or Not to Veg” in my Raw Fusion: Better Living Through Living Foods book. Thanks Kevin and Annemarie for such a great resource!
L-Carnosine and L-Carnitine are not the same amino acids.
Just wanted to clear up some confusion out here.
Wow! Thank you Kevin, this was my idea of the Super Bowl!
Even though I had my reservations about Mercola I was very impressed that he was so kind and open to Cousens. It was a completely different feel than from some of his articles on meat eating although I sat their scratching my head when after everything was laid out on the table and discussed, Mercola went right back to talking about eating meat?? Made no sense to me when he had an opportunity to add and ask at the end.
I have more respect for Cousens and feel much more confident knowing that his clinical research is so comprehensive and extensive and successful. I appreciate his spiritual input but I am not sure what any religion has to do with this. I guess I don’t trust history books and take them all with a grain of salt.
When it comes down to a diet I think the most important thing is that many of us have dear friends that also happen to be animals. From a spiritual perspective I would not say that eating them is simply not an option. With so many animals homeless and in shelters I find it more crucial to use resources to save them rather than breed them selfishly for food.
“I would say that eating them is simply not an option.” That’s how it should read..I’m tired.
peace.
Can organic local farm eggs still potentially have salmonella?
Dr Mercola says that local, cage free, free range chicken don’t get the illnesses and bacteria, and viruses that cause salmonella in their eggs
Thanks!
Dr. Cousens is unconvincing by asserting that meat eating is the reason for the various illnesses and qualities (by presenting long strings of statistical data as percentages and in his lists of examples).
This is very informative,and allows you see hear both sides of the story. We need more of these debates as more things are learned.
Thank you Kevine,you are doing a great job.
Thank you Kevin for this event. I loved both speakers’ points of view knowing that their info is based on anecdotal evidence and some scientific research. I’m listening and reading to their info for some time…applying it while listening to my body pretty well. Thank you all!
Have heard good things about Krill, but also that it is being overharvested. Even in the Antartic ocean. Is this a problem? Any thoughtss?? Thank you, Kim
Me too. My naturopathic nutrition lecturer does not support krill oil and mentioned (I think this is what she said) that it is the food source for many things in the ocean and will be really unsustainable and unethical for us to start taking this away, that it will have a lot of consequences. She recommends a company called V pure that sell an EPA/DHA oil that comes from algae. However the amounts in it are a lot lower than what is found in something like eskimo omega 3 oil.
I would have liked to have heard Dr Cousen’s opinion on the sustanability of krill and if it is a better choice morally than fish oil.
This is Useful. Thanks.
As for why spiritual issues and what Jesus ate are being discussed – it was Dr. Cousens that first mentioned it. It seems the whole spiritual area is very much a part of why he eats what he eats. It’s part of his “agenda” as he stated – we have to eat according to agenda – what our life is about. For most Americans on the SAD diet either diet would be a huge improvement! I watched in Wal-mart the other day and saw about 30 carts – none of them had any real food in them – only boxes and bags! I like his tip on eating bee pollen for protein.
Thanks Kevin! I also would like to suggest you up the volume a little bit. I like to cook/clean while listening and it’s hard to hear.
I liked that Dr. Mercola’s asked the question about how people “tolerate” spirulina and chlorella. Both taste horrible to me so I can only eat tiny bits at a time.
I put it in green smoothies – fruit, water and lots of leafy greens, the more variety the better. It tastes like a fruit smoothy and I just use a teaspoon of chlorella/spirulina (I don’t like the taste either) and don’t really notice it. I also like to add chia seeds and maca powder sometimes.
Another option is look up recipes – I found a yummy spirulina pie one that was sweet and also raw, get a bit creative with it and don’t try to have it straight or you’ll put yourself off
I don’t eat it plain. I make a mix with equal parts spirulina & chlorella and 2 parts brewers yeast and sea salt to taste and sprinkle that on my salads. It’s addicting. Or try sneaking into foods.
I must admit Dr Cousins prompted me to search his website for further information I found him to be one of the most interesting people I have ever listened to.
the spiritual connection, ahimsa. this is what it is about. killing nicely vs killing not so nicley, still killing. until we get that killing is not a human quality, then we will continue to suffer on this planet.
Raw goats milk is used as a remedy for cancer.
When you talk about Jesus i suggest Complete Jewish Bible translated by David Stern.
Fish is fish and not anything else.Jesus ate fish.Jesus ate lamb.
Abraham served meat and dairy to visiting angels. God served quail to hebrews in the dessert. Apostle Paul said that those who eat only vegetables are weak.Read it yourselves.Bible is the only historically valid scripture.And dont you think that even if you dont believe, at least you can take note and wonder that if Jesus who claimed to be the son of God ate animal flesh and what it can mean for us?
Ask God yourself ,dont rely on humans,we know so little.
Taking the Bible literally where it is meant to be understood metaphorically has been the source of countless wars. The Bible has not only been used to justify the bloodshed of animals but of humans too. We no longer can afford this fundamental narrow point of view for now it is becoming apparent this is suicidal.
God is a God of Love and in no way can killing and love go together. Man has to wake up from his greed and stop using God for his own agenda.
So would drinking raw goat’s milk be safer than raw cow’s milk to lower your risk of leukemia?
Also, I am lactose intolerant, but have no problem whatsoever with raw milk which contains the lactase enzyme to digest the lactose.
I truly have come to respect the opinions of both of these great doctors. As with everything in life, take and use what may resonate with you and leave the rest. I myself, found a wealth of information that I will sift through to see what may apply to my “constitution”…Thank you Kevin. I am looking forward to the rest of the presentations. ~Colleen~
Bashi,
I like your comments. Fish is fish and we know so little. I’m glad we have revelation from our Creator.
I was shocked that Cousens only consumed 20g of protein per day for his constitution but recommended for most about 45g per day.
I agree with Mercola that we need more protein but have read that going low protein occasionally is beneficial.
David Wolfe was just saying he gets about 10 grams of protein a day. Dr. Cousens is I believe in his 70′s and you should check out his sports record, it’s pretty impressive. I believe that if he can do 600 pushups and access to his own lab, & a public figure, he must be getting enough protein for his body…..and maybe that’s just it, when you eat healthy enough, meditate and do yoga you don’t need that much protein.
10g – interesting!
Thanks for putting this together!… Would be great to hear exactly what each expert eats, drinks and what supplements they take daily. Even better if they would also be willing to share their own blood work numbers with us! Backing up with ” real science” ; – )
Did I understand correctly that b12 can only be supplemented sublingually or with injection? Meaning that Garden of Life Raw b12 isn’t absorbed? Also no mention of the importance of probiotics and cultured foods for gut health??
Dr. Mercola appeared defensive and focused more on interviewing Dr Counsens than allowing Kevin to direct the questions etc. Dr. Counsens appeared more agreeable and tried to support Dr Mercola even when it was clear Dr Mercola was holding on to his opinions and beliefs. Dr Mercola if given the chance would start an argument however Dr Counsens kept the peace. Dr Counsens showcased his medical expertise and professionalism.
I find it ironic that for a species that likes to think of itself as the most intelligent on earth, humans seem to be the only one that can’t figure out its optimum diet. But I guess if the other species had the intelligence to carry out their own research … they’d be as confused as we are!
Kev – Thank you for organizing and facilitating these discussions/debates. I look forward to listening to each night’s session!
Haha Well c’mon, dogs will eat chocolate, toys, anything even if it kills them. Look at all the pictures of turtles and birds around the sea feeding on plastics and bringing it to their babies even. We are all in the same boat so to speak but I see your point.
Thanks Kevin, great job – 2 of my favorite people.Mercola speaks out loud & clear on the evils of GMO’s, so I can forgive much. But it is confusing. .the egg thing and the meat – why does he even bother with talking about “RAW”? It’s a credibility glitch for me.
Merideth Wilson was confused re B12. Dr M was saying it is too large to be assimilated & so can’t use it, but that he has a B12 spray to be used under the tongue. (he sells it) As for me, I learned how to make “fermented Vegetables” and there is more of the B vitamins in one helping of that than any bottle of pills could yield. It’s labor intensive but so worth while. Fallon speaks of it in her book and Donna Gates on Body Ecology, so I learned how and am so pleased! I have spelled out how I do it somewhere on my blog – http://smokinchoices.wordpress.com. (and of course, the ingredients are all raw) Looking forward to the next one Kevin. Many thanks, Jan
The session was very useful after the speakers had had finished, circling each other and breast thumping about their opinions and biases. They also neglected to define their terms and explain names they used for substances, which we need to know as the conversation progresses.
A lot more professionalism please, because you have a lot of great things to teach us. Thank you all.
I was surprised that no mention was made about fruit, in particular berries. Certainly they are not the enemy and most of the people that Dr. Cousins treats did not run into the problems they have because they ate too many blueberries or raspberries. They ate crap! In addition, maligning non-gluten grains is also problematic. We have seen many wonderful health reversals on macrobiotic protocols so they are also not the enemy. As you are familiar with Dr. Douglas Graham, he should have been mentioned in the discussion but was not, as well as Gary Null. Both would have been a welcomed addition in the discussion. Other health pioneers were included and it should have been brought up by you as the mediator. Hands down, Dr. Cousins is your man. Superb.
Many thanks for this opportunity to learn more!
What about Dr Mark Hyman recommandations in his book,
“the Ultra Mind Solution” ,
Health science is great : phyto-nutrients in synergy.
Lets look for the best sources of nutrients.
Dr. Cousens is highly unconvincing and I am being nice to say he speaks nonsense.
It is as if he centers everything around the idea of “don’t eat meat”.
Examples of what I mean–
Cousens became a Vegan vegetarian because in 1973 he and his wife had a simultaneous dream that the human embryo was like a chicken?!?!
Puts borax in the soil to get boron?
Eating chicken causes cancer? (by transmitting virus-like Progenitor Cryptocides as seen by dark field microsopy.?)
No milk is the best? (milk/dairy has radiation,causes anemia,lymphoma,leukemia,
ovarian,lung and prostate cancer, etc.?)
And etc.etc..?//
Gratitude to Kevin in arranging many different perspectives to help us become better educated and aware. It is our individual responsibility to make informed decisions and be pro-active for what is best for us. Remember to HONOR OUR DIFFERENCES; use discernment in what is for you and let go of what is not! LISTEN TO OUR BODIES MESSAGES TO ALLOW ITS INNATE MIRACLE OF ALWAYS STRIVING TOWARDS HOMEOSTASIS /vibrant health. Blessings to Drs. Mercola and Couzens for sharing what is effective in their lives and walking their talk.
Kevin – I just want to thank you for putting these debates together. This opening interview was fantastic! I already feel that it is helping me clarify my beliefs about nutrition and lifestyle. Hearing two health experts engage in a live dialogue really changes things. I am so thankful that you took the time and effort to arrange all of this!
thank you for your great work, Kevin
and thank you to the great woman behind all great men
For me two important points have surfaced – the need to take total responsibility for ones own health – get the right knowledge and implement it, but probably the most important is to learn how to intuit exactly what ones body needs. It is my impression that there is much less attention paid to this aspect than the food itself. It seems that if one had a good intuition process, the exact type and quantity of the food itself becomes less important.
Thank you Kevin, this debate will cut through a lot of the confusion that is out there
Looking for information that can help us fight cancer. Hoping that this will provide something usable. I like the style of this discussion. Excellent project! Keep up the good work.
I can’t believe that Dr. Cousens says that everyone needs to be on a LOW CARBOHYDRATE DIET…. What is a raw food diet? Isn’t it raw fruits and vegetables?
So what does he propose? People eat low calorie, high fat and expect them to live long and manage their diabetes?
Why was he not against Dr. Graham who knows that high carb low fat cures type 2 diabetes and all blood sugar problems?
I think Dr. Cousens sounds pretty uninformed in this debate and is just agreeing with everything Dr. Mercola says.
Very strange to me and I think confusing to the listeners.
I completely agree. Thanks nonetheless to both for participating and to Kevin for organising. I am vegetarian, but at the end of the debate I couldn’t help thinking that Mercola was much more informed and clear than Cousens (and I am a fan of the latter!) The debate itself was fairly tame: so much effort spent by Cousens trying to agree with Mercola. And the tips were so vague: sorry, I sound as though I’m complaining about everything and I’m fully aware that this is such a generous initiative and am v. grateful for the opportunity, but on the whole, I feel disappointed: the tips were very basic, the discussion tame, the contradictions multiple: the eggs/no eggs, supplements/no supplements, amongst other questions remain unanswered, in my view.
Would really appreciate feedback. Thanks.
Flora, I could answer you : feel your your organs while you eat and after your meal. May be your nose running could tell you : he! give me a break!! and your stomach..uncomfortable….At every moment, your body have the best answer…moving to another response…to more comfort and vitality.
Good luck.
Isn’t it rather that these different body types they both are talking about in fact have BECOME different over time due to the what diet people have been on since they were born. Once they would start on an all plant based diet it would only be a matter of time before EVERYBODY were adapted to it. But one would have to endure the transition period of course.
did you know i nearly missed this because you guys sent me the wrong link? lucky a raw forum had a good one! Next time also please put the time at UTM or GMT – we don’t all live in america – and australia is fattest nation on earth!!
Dr GabrielCOussens isn’t talking rubbish – he’s just not spouting the type of nutritional or medical advice the majority of people are used to – which is why we have illness and a lot of rich doctors. I gotta respect the knowledge anyone who has CURED type 1 diabetes.
Thanks so much for making this “debate” happen. It reaffirmed my understanding that everybody IS different so MUST experiment with what works best for them! Cousens and Mercola are brilliant humans (studied both for years) and 80% of the population would benefit highly to follow EITHER program, at least initially.
The key and the challenge is to get people to change their ingrained comforting programmed destructive ways. I have written a book called Healthyism, with affirming results, that was created to help people recognize and control this programming and in turn welcome a constructive life .
Please “attend” the “virtual” Valentine’s Day non-commercial event called “Global Moment of Love” on Facebook – this event, set at noon AND midnight GMT, encourages all people to pause and dedicate a few seconds of meditation, prayer, or focus to LOVE.
Regarding raw food, in Chinese Medicine, the saying is “Stomach likes warmth,” and eating cold food or raw vegetables is a stess on the system, particularly if your digestive function is weak. I had chronic diarrhea for over 20 years, tried everything, and was not normalized until I stopped eating raw vegetables, salads, and drinking iced liquids. I would love to hear about diet recommendations from the perspective of Chinese Medicine.
Interesting, I would also love to hear some from this point of view as well.
Very good points. From what I understand, these guidelines in Chinese medicine are general guidelines. In an attempt to be more specific, even someone like Doug Graham, promoting low fat raw diets, isn’t suggesting you eat hard to digest vegetables like broccoli, kale, etc… People’s dietary needs may also vary slightly due to preferences and practicalities based on climate and environmental factors.
They both recommended eating eggs raw, but I was under the impression that eating the whites raw was not good for you because the raw white blocks the absorption of certain vitamins.
This series of debates is one of the most awesome ideas to ever come along in the health/natural health/alternative health world! Thank you so much Kevin for arranging this well educated, well researched, well experienced, well spoken, panel of fascinating people to share in this very civil educational forum.
Love the comment Dr. Mercola mad about the broken cell wall holding the iron in the Spirulina/Chlorella so as not to increase the Ferritin levels.
Genesis 1:29
Lev 11 and Deut 14.
I really appreciate Mercola’s emphasis on listening to your body and that that will lead you to the proper diet. Though I respect and appreciate Cousens’ acheivements and methodology, I fear his agenda and enthusiasm for the raw vegan diet may interfere with some people’s potential to tune into their bodies’ infinite wisdom. During his solo part, he seemed rather driven to try to prove that you can thrive on raw vegan. Of course you can! Is anyone surprised by that? But this doesn’t convince me this is THE way for everyone. I don’t believe there is a superlative best diet. Again, kudos to Dr.Mercola for acknowledging this.
What I take from this: Listen to your body. Whole foods, live, local & organic are important. Minerals are important. Good water is important.
Thanks to Renegade Health for putting this together and for making it available free to us all!
Thank you for hosting this event! I have long wanted to see something like this. I enjoyed listening to both experts speak, and I look forward to upcoming dialogues.
This is great info, thx. I would recommend limiting to 2 – 2 1/2 hours max.
This is so interesting. I was not easily able to follow Dr. Cousens -he seemed a bit tangential and scattered. Mercola’s message seemed more consistent and grounded. Dr. Cousens has clearly chosen his path and that’s great for him, but he seemed more narrow in his approach than Dr. Mercola. We really do need to do what is right for us and learn how to tune in so that we know what’s best for us. Gaining education from highly educated folks like Mercola and Cousens is great, but ultimately our own bodies have the highest wisdom.
I agree with you. I thought Dr Cousens was excellent in the first part of the debate and I learnt a lot. I felt very inspired. I thought that Dr Mercola seemed to be using the opportunity to be open and learn from him also.
However, later on I found Dr Cousens spoke about too many things, too vaguely and I stopped taking notes and I got a bit bored. I felt a ittle annoyed even when he spoke of basic epidemicological research as if it proved something. Ok so people that drink 2 glasses of milk a day were higher in such and such….but that doesn’t mean anything. People that drink two glasses of milk a day may be equally likely to do a, b, and c, which could also be the reason behind the link…too vague! I think it would have been much more beneficial if more focused.
But the first 2 hours of this debate were excellent and I look forward to hearing more.
Dr. Coussens is a rambler. C’mon dude. i’m bored…
This was a wonderful, honest, friendly debate!
But I missed a discussion of “detoxification”.
Dr. Cousens might have brought this up.
This MAY be a reason that people feel sick and think they are not doing well on a vegan, plant based diet.
I have gone through the detox many times, and yet, in the end, I feel GREAT!
Deidre: I think the base principals they both spoke too are: whole nutrient dense foods that are not processed (as raw as possible)…locally grown organic fruit/veg in super healthy soil….avoid refined sugars and flours (carbs/breads), eat healthy fats and B vits/complexes, drink spring water, good raw fermented foods (to assimilate digestion), reach for bliss, and live to the highest and best you can…
Please ask speakers to spell terms such as ‘carnitine’, which has been mentioned. Is that L-carnitine, an amino acid? Dr. Gabriel mentioned carnitine as being the main factore in longevity and that he had found a food source, please ask him what this is.
Really finding the content valuable and informative.
Thanks
If you read the comments it has already been established they were talking about carnosine – a di-peptide of histidine and alanine.
Kudus, Kevin! Another great idea of yours. As a long time watcher of Dr. Mercola and a Aug/Sept 2010 participant in Dr. Cousin’s Reverse Diabetes and Conscious Eating 1 & 11 program at the Tree of Life in Patagonia, AZ, here are my thoughts. Dr. Cousins is the more valid, informed and scientifically supported. He has more experience and really helps motivated people reverse diabetes. Following his Phase I diet with no animal protein, no dairy, no grains or fruits except grapefruit, my blood sugar is running in the 80s….same as my age! After a few more months I wlll be able to add just a few fruits and grains: blueberries, quinoa, amaranth, etc. Learning is not compulsory, neither is survival. Keep working these miracles! THANKS, PAT
what about distilled water
Wow! I am impressed by both of the speakers. I think they BOTH have valid views and treated each other with utmost respect even while having polar opposite agendas. Great show!
I am even more amazed though by the comments of the listeners. While Drs. Cousens and Mercola were able to recognize areas of common ground, the audience did not seem as able. From theological debate, to auditoning the speakers for voice acting, and attributing being ‘scattered’ to whether or not you ingest animal foods, the comments were extremely entertaining and really bring home the fact that food and diet are highly emotional topics.
The intention of these discussions and the line-up is both credible and very thought provoking. I applaud your efforts Mr Gianni and have recommended the talks to a lot of naturopathic students. May I feedback a few suggestions; navigation could be improved upon (perhaps you could post a banner on your RH website homepage advertising the debate with an easy access link for registration), review your audio levels and have your IT check the pause options on the playback. I look forward to listening to how you manage the remaining debates. Drs Mercola and Cousens were extremely professional, presenting intellectual clinical findings. I hope all your guests receive the recognition they deserve – the ending to your one-onone with teh highly respected Dr Cousens’ was abrupt and flat to say the least.
I am so impressed with the universal outlook of Gabriel Cousens that he sees health in terms of not only the physical but the spirit, and not only in terms of our well-being but the well-being of all living beings. It is at this level that true healing begins.
Radha
Very true. I did find a lot of his solo talk scattered, but the parts talking of universal outlook and the implications of our dietary actions, in particular of feeding the world and of ecology were really inspirational and have affected me
Thank you Radha….I agree with what you said about Gabriel Cousens. Yes, true healing does begin with the well being of ALL beings….animals included.
The intention of these discussions and the line-up is both credible and very thought provoking. I applaud your efforts Mr Gianni and have recommended the talks to a lot of naturopathic students. May I feedback a few suggestions; navigation could be improved upon (perhaps you could post a banner on your RH website homepage advertising the debate with an easy access link for registration), review your audio levels and have your IT check the pause options on the playback. I look forward to listening to how you manage to moderate and guide the questioning with the remaining debates. Drs Mercola and Cousens were extremely professional, presenting intellectual clinical findings in a civilised manner. I hope all your guests receive the recognition they deserve – the ending to your one-on-one with the highly respected Dr Cousens’ was abrupt and flat to say the least.
Was riveted by the talks and pleased to learn quite a lot.
Found the speakers highly motivating. Will be moving towards fish-free now. Am already meat and dairy free. Still cook food too often but prefer raw. If I had a raw food chef it would be so much easier!
It’s a whole new way of life which requires careful thought, a lot of reading, a lot of time and planning and preparation. In an already busy life its not easy to do and so motivation is critical. Thank you.
I would like to know how soon to expect positive and measurable changes – but I guess that’s like how long is a piece of string!
donna i am a holistic chef and can prepare all raw – if you are in australia lets talk! LOL
kevin – great to hear these two – i love gabriel cousens – i am not live food but i like his take – but i also agree most wholeheartedly with mercola and the basic premise – listen to your body – it knows what you need – anyway – just wanted to mention that the audio is not very loud i have my stereo linked to my laptop and it is still pretty quiet – tried another computer same thing – and yes i have it turned up on the link – can you please look at this – as i need to do other things while i listen – thankyou – hope there are lots of aussies listening in
xxx
Dr. Robert Young, one of the speakers planned for later this week, does NOT recommend eating eggs at all for the same reasons he does NOT recommend eating mushrooms, cheese and high sugar fruits.
I would be interested in hearing Dr. Mercola’s opinion of the goodness of eggs vs.Dr. Young’s opinion.
Claudia
I would also be extremely interested to hear a debate with Dr Mercola vs Dr Young. Or at least Dr M’s opinion on Dr Youngs theories. I’m pretty sure Dr M would get pretty upset.
I don’t know a great deal of Dr Youngs info. I know he’s great on certain topics, but the interview video I saw here on Kevins site recently, I could not believe he was saying he reccommends a low to NO protein diet.. and that protein doesn’t build muscle.. WOW! That just doesn’t match up with the general knowledge of human biochemistry in the least.
For vegans interested in increasing Carnosine, eat more Beta-Alanine. It’s the rate-limiting amino acid for the creation of Carnosine. Beta-Alanine is a non-essential amino acid. I wish this would have been pointed out in the talk and the anabolic pathways used to create these peptides.
Just wanted to add a study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC549758/?page=1
I would also like to correct Kevin: Carnosine is not an amino acid, but a peptide.
Regarding Dr. Mercola’s comment about B12 not being found in plants, I understand that B12 is in sea vegetables, especially E-3 Live.
Will the subject of that humans aren’t drawn to eating an animal live with their own teeth and claws be covered in this discussion? This is how animals that eat other animals do it.
Also, the colon of humans is not short like animals that eat other animals….short because it needs to pass through quickly. Humans have extremely long colons….short and long, and I understand it rots in the colon since it takes long to pass through since it has no fiber….it’s full of fat and cholesterol.
I read an article that the egg of a chicken has a total different bio-makeup and does not belong in the human body…..this egg makes a chicken, not a human. I understand that it causes havoc and reproductive diseases in the human body…..such as breast cancer, uterine cancer, prostate cancer, and fibroid tumors. I’m 99% sure my fibroid tumors were caused from eating eggs. I personally avoid chicken eggs and will never eat them again.
Loved Gabriel Cousens veganism discussion! I love the quote by Isaac Bashevis Singer “WHEN YOU SLAUGHTER A CREATURE, YOU SLAUGHTER GOD”.
Really interested to hear Dr Cousen’s oinionon on if krill oil is amore sustainable option over fish oil. I’ve heard otherwise.
I enjoyed the first debate very much!
I learned that vitamin b12 should not be takend in a capsule, only sublingual, the patch or by injection! Thank you!
All I know is that I want to be healthy, it’s been a challenge when people make things so complicated! I think if we just stay away from man made processed junk food and eat only the food that God provided for us to eat and like I heard Dr. Mercola say listen to our bodies and how we feel. I’m a bit confused on the raw egg thing, after listening with an open mind, I did some further research and found that it has more protein, B12, etc. I read about this man who ate raw eggs everyday and lived to be 110 years old! I’d rather get my nutrients from food and not have to take unnatural supplements but still not sure about the raw egg thing. What other ways to get B12?
The information in these videos are fantastic, however I can’t help but wonder why blood type has never been brought to the table. It as been studied for much longer than most of these studies. It has been a basis in most of China and Japan. I have personally seen the best results finding out blood type in my practice first and have gotten the best results by just starting there. Why is it that we “don’t know” why some people work best w meat and others do not? Blood type….It would be interesting to hear more about that in a professional point of view… the rest seems to me as being details to fine tune a personal dietary regiment. The quality of food should just be the “duh” yeah obvious though I think it is great that your getting the “duh.. obvious” and THEN some out there because it is sad how many on americans are just misinformed.
Massively unimpressed with Mercola. Thank you Cousens.
I tend to wonder about the studies Dr. Cousens is quoting..
Meat eaters vs vegetarians/vegans..
Are the meat eaters ‘healthy meat eaters’ (Weston a price.. Ect) OR ‘SAD meat eaters’…. There is a HUGE difference!
I bet they are studying SAD meat eaters…..
Vegetarians tend to be vegetarian because they are more interested in health than the adverage person.. So there’s a good chance many of them in the study tend to avoid the evil whites.. (sugar, white flour, bleached salt.. Ect.. The disease causers)
Is it just me or does this seem like an unfair match? SAD meat eaters vs health concious vegetarians… No duh that the vegetarians would win out! But does that mean it’s a perfect diet? No.. It means it’s be better diet than the SAD diet..
I’m getting tired of these categories being together.. They should separate ‘traditional meat eaters’ from the ‘SAD meat eaters’… And Leave the SAD eaters out of studies.. We all know it’s the worst diet ever..
I’m a pastry vegan off-and-on and still consider myself very healthy.
I noticed in the Joseph Mercol and Gabriel Cousens debate they bounced around direct answers, I was a bit disappointed. for example, the question to Dr.Mercola was what was his recommendations of what to implement into the diet to make sure vegans are getting the right nutrients and all his response was to be diligent. Well yes be diligent but with what, how, and what would he recommend in the question was not answered. I would hope that future debates will be more clear, more helpful and tell people exactly how to do this, what foods are to be put into the diet. There is no North American food guide for people out there who can not follow the SAD diet. So when we ask for help, just dancing around the question generalizing stuff is NOT HELP FULL. We need specifics, we need guidance.
Dr. Young was so interesting, I could not take time to breathe. He held my attention so well. The explanations about alkalinity were the best. I believe he has totally converted me. There are so many loopholes in general information, but he covered all the details very clearly. I thank you very much for the very informative Dr. Young. I did take a little chlorophyl and eat avocados each week, but now I am much better informed, and will enjoy them even more.. Thank you again.
Meat is easier to digest than plants, we have been eating meat forever. It is the only complete protein. If you feel bad about animals dieing for food…go tell all the carnivores in the world to stop. A lion eats meat for a reason, not to be mean, but because it is nutritious. We can eat meat and plants, so I suggest all of you eat both.
That is a rather absurd statement: “we’ve been eating meat forever.” Further stop perpetuating the “only complete protein” myth. Many plants have complete proteins (albeit limited by one amino acid or another, but the same is true of animal products).
http://paleohacks.com/questions/22751/meat-eating-and-yoga#axzz1DhFng31q